Why can't I be as nice as I want to be? - Page 2

Cruddy · June 23, 2003, 19:01

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Originally posted by Thorn
I have allergies so I stay inside most of the time...

So did I till 19-20. Only way to cure an allergy is to become acclimatised to what causes it - gradually.

Walk in the light, Thorn. It helps, even if only a little each day. Build up gradually.

Maybe this demon thing is the anger you feel combined with the guilt for feeling angry.

Whatever it's source, you've got to decoy your mind into thinking about it - again, gradually.

If classic therapy (drawing/artwork) don't seem to help, try working on maths problems or achitecture/design. Try to find an outlet you can do subconciously. Music could be an outlet - even whistling can break the "bad thoughts" bit. Or maybe get a pair of drumsticks and start beating skins that way!

Lot of drummers are" ex-possessed" people that used it as a therapy.

Anyway, good luck. Your the one who has to walk the road - others can only advise.

And yes, I will pray for you.

Alexander's Horse · June 23, 2003, 20:45

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Originally posted by Thorn
I talk to professionals but all my doctor wants to talk about is Harry Potter...?

I don't believe in demonic possession. Its mental illness but can seem very real.

The best way to deal with it is to do what your doctors tell you and take your medicine.

Thorn · June 23, 2003, 20:47

Yeah I'm sure reading Harry Potter, and watching harry potter's movies... while dopped up on drugs that they perscribe is a solution.....

Cruddy · June 23, 2003, 20:51

Distraction is a partial solution Thorn.

When you can unconciously distract yourself you will have it licked.

Cruddy · June 23, 2003, 20:56

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Originally posted by Thorn
Yeah I'm sure reading Harry Potter, and watching harry potter's movies... while dopped up on drugs that they perscribe is a solution.....

Maybe if you told your therapist to quit the HP crap or you will sue for malpractice they woud realise 2 things;

a) You are getting better - or at least less fixated.

b) You are pi55ed off with their attitude and they better shape up quick.

Thorn · June 23, 2003, 20:58

I can't sue I don't have any money... and anyway it is my parents health insurance... and they don't listen to me... its a lost cause...

Alexander's Horse · June 23, 2003, 20:58

Think happy thoughts - works for me

Thorn · June 23, 2003, 20:59

If Harry Potter wasn't fictional I think I'd murder him!

Alexander's Horse · June 23, 2003, 21:00

That's the way - happy thoughts

Cruddy · June 23, 2003, 21:19

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Originally posted by Thorn
I can't sue I don't have any money... and anyway it is my parents health insurance... and they don't listen to me... its a lost cause...

You don't have money now - but things might be different in the future, if you want them to be.

No therapist is going to want a legal time bomb - I'm not saying you should sue, I'm saying it might make them reconsider this therapy of rabbitting on about HP.

It's also a step in the right direction so far as displaying a non-violent attitude to solving problems. Keep finding ways to solve problems that don't involve violence and you're there.

I'm not saying you won't feel the impulse to hurt other people (we all get that). The trick is to find a solution that doesn't use that way.

Asher · June 23, 2003, 21:37

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Originally posted by obiwan18
If so demon possession could be a possibility.

I agree with obiwan.

This is serious.

I need you to go find the largest grapefruit you can find, and get two of them. You need to eat one and shove the other one up your ass. Don't remove the other one from your ass until 3 days after you've eaten the other grapefruit.

Then you will be cured.

Cruddy · June 23, 2003, 21:42

Asher, go superglue your lips together.

On second thoughts, bite all your fingers off. You will then have a use for that superglue I recommended.

Asher · June 23, 2003, 21:47

Superglue! Good idea.

You may need some lubrication, Evan, so you need to find some superglue to help with the grapefruit!

Cruddy.

Cruddy · June 23, 2003, 21:54

On 2nd thoughts Thorn, with so many arseholes around it's not surprising you feel like murdering a few...

Asher · June 23, 2003, 21:56

Cruddy, obviously oblivious to who Thorn is.

Tuberski · June 23, 2003, 22:00

Ya think?

ACK!

Ben Kenobi · June 23, 2003, 22:04

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I need you to go find the largest grapefruit you can find, and get two of them. You need to eat one and shove the other one up your ass. Don't remove the other one from your ass until 3 days after you've eaten the other grapefruit.

Then you will be cured.

Had enough or would you care to continue ranting?

Alexander's Horse · June 23, 2003, 22:06

oh come on - there is no such thing as demonic possession.

I'm a practicing catholic, a veritable pillar *cough* of the church, and I think its all hooey!

Ben Kenobi · June 23, 2003, 22:10

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I'm a practicing catholic, a veritable pillar *cough* of the church, and I think its all hooey!

Really. I would think most Catholics would support such a position over a Protestant like myself.

What makes you think demon possession false?

Cruddy · June 23, 2003, 22:10

Well, tell me, informed Asher.

Maybe I should just quit trying to help people who are so fkved in the head they think it's cool to pretend to be fvked in the head.

Asher · June 23, 2003, 22:11

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Originally posted by obiwan18
Had enough or would you care to continue ranting?

At least my post was helpful.

Ben Kenobi · June 23, 2003, 22:14

I'm sure your mood brightened.

Asher · June 23, 2003, 22:19

I think you are both possessed!

*runs to fetch Garlic*

Alexander's Horse · June 23, 2003, 22:19

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Originally posted by obiwan18

What makes you think demon possession false?

Advances in science. People described as possessed in the bible were what we would call mentally ill today.

Look, everybody has voices in their mind - its part of the way the mind works. The problem for some people is because of an illness, be it genetic or chemical or as a result of an injury, they lose the ability to manage their internal voices. This is one definition of mental illness. It can manifest as "demonic" voices but that is a symptom of illness, nothing more.

Tuberski · June 23, 2003, 22:20

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Originally posted by Cruddy
Well, tell me, informed Asher.

Maybe I should just quit trying to help people who are so fkved in the head they think it's cool to pretend to be fvked in the head.

You should quit trying, ot better yet pretend you have helped him.

ACK!

Ben Kenobi · June 23, 2003, 22:26

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I think you are both possessed!

*runs to fetch Garlic*

Actually, I rather like garlic.

AH:

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It can manifest as "demonic" voices but that is a symptom of illness, nothing more.

Agreed, most cases will seem explained by science and can be cured, but I think that there are still some that cannot. Jesus also talks about demon possession in the Gospels.

I don't know very much about demon possession, so I thought Catholics since they perform exorcisms would naturally know more about the criteria, and what to do with demon possession.

Cruddy · June 23, 2003, 22:32

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Originally posted by obiwan18

I don't know very much about demon possession, so I thought Catholics since they perform exorcisms would naturally know more about the criteria, and what to do with demon possession.

It depends on the national culture really.

Demonic possession and exorcism is still practised in Italy for sure... but it's a lot rarer in other parts of the world.

India often has demonic possession cases - but as these aren't handled by Exorcists they are beyond the scope of my answer.

Ask most Catholic priests in the UK for an exorcism and he'll tell you he needs a psychiatric report first - not to say some who've been on missionary duty overseas are a little more open minded on the subject.

Whether it is "real" or not to science is irrelevent. It's real enough to the sufferer.

Alexander's Horse · June 23, 2003, 22:45

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Originally posted by obiwan18

AH:

Agreed, most cases will seem explained by science and can be cured, but I think that there are still some that cannot. Jesus also talks about demon possession in the Gospels.

Jesus was a person of his time. Mental illness in those times was often called demonic possession. I think only 1 gospel emphasises those healings.

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I don't know very much about demon possession, so I thought Catholics since they perform exorcisms would naturally know more about the criteria, and what to do with demon possession.

"Exorcism" needs to be demystified. Its really just a blessing. I've been present at what might be termed exorcisms, of people and places. Priests will do it if they think it will help but you will go a long way to find a priest who will actually say definitely someone is "possessed" rather than "ill". The blessing can however help to give people peace of mind and that is the main reason this form of blessing is done I think. Its not like Hollywood.