SW vs. ST: Round 2

Lonestar · June 25, 2003, 18:59

"What is it Lord Vader?"

Emperor Palpatine was stareing out the window of his Tower on the Deathstar, Skywalker's Body lying at the bottem of the stars. It had been several days since the Rebel Rout at Endor, and it still hadn't been removed.

"My Liege, Grand Admiral Thrawn has reported from the Unknown Regions. A Wormhole leading to the otherside of the known universe has been discovered. Intial probes indicate....there are HUmans on the otherside."

"Truly?"

Vader nodded his head "Yes my Liege."

Palpatine's mouth curled into a smile. "Join Thrawn's Taskforce, find out what he needs. Humanity should be under one banner, after all..."
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Well all, looks like the Galactic Empire is about to invade the Milky Way! Who shall win?

Obviously, the Empire.

Lorizael · June 25, 2003, 19:06

Q wins.

Lonestar · June 25, 2003, 19:27

I'll just what until Boris and DD show up.

Boris Godunov · June 25, 2003, 19:33

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Originally posted by Lorizael
Q wins.

Q can't count. He's not helped the Feddies before when they were invaded (Dominion Wars), so there's no reason to think he'll do so should the Empire come a-knockin'!

Drogue · June 25, 2003, 19:40

The Borg, whenever they decide to turn up

And that's not because of my position... not at all

Ming · June 25, 2003, 19:40

Not this again... I hope some of the responses are more original than most of the spam that was posted last time

And who knows... maybe if we are lucky, it will degenerate into a discussion of which universe had faster ships.....

Boris Godunov · June 25, 2003, 19:48

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Originally posted by Drogue
The Borg, whenever they decide to turn up

And that's not because of my position... not at all

Pffft!

The Feds could beat the Borg, so they aren't too special.

Besides, if it came to being sandwiched between the Empire or the Borg, I'm willing to bet the Feddies will gladly hop into bed with the Empire against the Borg. Being conquered beat being assimilated any day.

Lorizael · June 25, 2003, 20:06

Boris, I didn't say the Federation wins with Q's help, I said Q wins. He's always playing for himself, and I'm sure he would use such a drastic change in situation to benefit himself.

Drogue · June 25, 2003, 20:09

But the Borg were far more powerful than than the Feds. IIRC, they hardly sent any forces to Earth, and the Feds merely stopped the Borg taking Earth, they hardly destroyed their fleet. Besides, saying that is like saying "the resistance defeated the Empire, so the Empire are hardly anything". What have the Empire got that is remotly as powerful as the Borg, or species 8472 (IIRC) who the Borg were losing the war too, when Voyager tried to travel through Borg space.

Boris Godunov · June 25, 2003, 20:11

Ah, but the Borg have their own problems, particularly with species 8472. That, and hadn't the Feddie-engineered bio weapon virtually wiped the Borg out?

GePap · June 25, 2003, 20:14

BABYLON 5

Number one, number one!

Drake Tungsten · June 25, 2003, 20:19

DUNE!!!

That is all.

Lonestar · June 25, 2003, 20:20

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Originally posted by Drogue
What have the Empire got that is remotly as powerful as the Borg, or species 8472 (IIRC) who

Including, but not limited too...

200GT Turbolasers
Multiple KT lasers on Fighters
Deathstar2 super laser
Ships that are faster than anything in the milky way except for the Borg Transwarp corriders and the Voth city ship.

At least 6 Command Ships (17 km Super Star Destroyers)
25,000 Imperatorclass star Destroyers.
Hundreds of thousands of smaller ships.
Millions of fighters

Bare minimum of 1 million member systems, perhaps as high as 12 million.

Billions of soldiers in the Imperial Army.

A unified galactic civilization stretching back 25,000 years to Xim the Despot
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The Borg have....erm,.... stupidity?

They are moderately damaged by the most powerful weapong in the UFP's inventory: the 120 MT Quantum torpedo.

GePap · June 25, 2003, 20:20

I knew it!

Blow up Arrakis! It's easy as dell!

Lonestar · June 25, 2003, 20:21

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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
DUNE!!!

That is all.

Damn, forgot to include that in the options.

Drake Tungsten · June 25, 2003, 20:25

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Damn, forgot to include that in the options.

[church lady voice] How convenient!

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Dauphin · June 25, 2003, 20:26

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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Ah, but the Borg have their own problems, particularly with species 8472. That, and hadn't the Feddie-engineered bio weapon virtually wiped the Borg out?

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Open with Enterprise crew on the bridge at Red Alert.

Cut to the bridge monitor, which reveals a Borg cube at close range.

Picard: "Mr. LaForge, have you had any success with your attempts at finding a weakness in the Borg? And Mr. Data, have you been able to access their command pathways?"

Geordi: "Yes, Captain. In fact, we found the answer by searching through our archives on late twentieth-century computing technology."

Geordi presses a button, and a logo appears on the computer screen.

Riker (Looking puzzled): "What is 'Microsoft'?"

Data: "Allow me to explain. We will send this program, for some reason called 'Windows', through the Borg command pathways. Once inside their root command unit, it will begin consuming system resources at an unstoppable rate."

Picard: The Borg have the ability to adapt, Mr. Data. They will alter their processing systems to increase their storage and CPU capacity."

Data: "Yes, Captain. But when 'Windows' detects this, it creates a new version of itself known as an 'upgrade'. The use of resources increases exponentially with each iteration. The Borg will not be able to adapt quickly enough. Eventually all of their processing ability will be taken over and none will be available for their normal operational functions."

Picard: "Excellent work. This is even better than that 'unsolvable geometric shape' idea."

Lonestar · June 25, 2003, 20:30

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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

[church lady voice] How convenient!

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C'mon, you'd knw they'd be crushed. Even Battlestar Galactica would crush them.

Cruddy · June 25, 2003, 20:32

My cash is on the Ferrengi - it doesn't matter who wins the war, those cunning devils will still control all the trade.

MRT144 · June 25, 2003, 20:34

Lonestar, even stargate would crush them.

and anyone who knows anything knows the people who dont participate in these debates wins

GePap · June 25, 2003, 20:34

I say the first ones in B5. I really have no idea how mucht heyc oudl do since most of them decided to move from their galaxy elsewhere (hence trans-galaxic travel).

Star Trek most ceratinly is the weakest. I mean, they don;t even have any worthwhile planet killers!

And what Trek writers did with the Borg was a crime. An incredibly interesting race with huge possibilities turned into cartoon mosters, with the eventual easy defeat...

Drake Tungsten · June 25, 2003, 20:36

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C'mon, you'd knw they'd be crushed.

In open battle, yes, but the residents of the Duneverse are far too clever for that. Their strengths lie in intrigue and behind the scenes dealing, which are massively helped by the presence of presicient individuals like Muad'Dib. It's quite possible that the Dune forces could bring down the Empire from the inside, just as Palpatine destroyed the Republic. And let's not even consider the Federation's chance; those naive and trusting morons would get taken down in a second.

Lonestar · June 25, 2003, 20:37

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Originally posted by Cruddy
My cash is on the Ferrengi - it doesn't matter who wins the war, those cunning devils will still control all the trade.

What about the Hutts? Yeah, you forgot about them, didn't you?

Lonestar · June 25, 2003, 20:39

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Originally posted by GePap
I say the first ones in B5. I really have no idea how mucht heyc oudl do since most of them decided to move from their galaxy elsewhere (hence trans-galaxic travel).

Star Trek most ceratinly is the weakest. I mean, they don;t even have any worthwhile planet killers!

And what Trek writers did with the Borg was a crime. An incredibly interesting race with huge possibilities turned into cartoon mosters, with the eventual easy defeat...

GePap, ignoring for the momemt That Shadow Battlecrabs were chewed all the fudge up by Megaton yield nukes....

I put that option in there as kinda a joke.

DinoDoc · June 25, 2003, 20:41

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Originally posted by Lonestar
Billions of soldiers in the Imperial Army.

That a) can't shoot straight and b) get slaughtered by teddy bears.

Lonestar · June 25, 2003, 20:46

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Originally posted by DinoDoc
That a) can't shoot straight and b) get slaughtered by teddy bears.

Support allegation "1" Or at least prove Stormtroopers (not the army) shoot less straight than The nonexistant Federation army.

PLus, The GE has combined Arms. The Federation has a.....jeep.

Allegation "B":

Superior Numbers that have knowledge of the terrain; the dozen or so Rebel commandos, Chewie getting the AT-st at the last minute, and appereantly the Stormtroopers (from Star Wars Tales) acted as if the Ewoks were "Charlies".

Imran Siddiqui · June 25, 2003, 20:48

The Foundation... come one, they are preordaned to win

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Lonestar · June 25, 2003, 20:49

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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
The Foundation... come one, they are preordaned to win

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hey! Hey! No Hard Sci-fi, you hear?

Cruddy · June 25, 2003, 20:50

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Originally posted by Lonestar

What about the Hutts? Yeah, you forgot about them, didn't you?

What's to remember? The Ferrengi could hustle them under the table with both eyes closed and their arms tied behind their back.

DinoDoc · June 25, 2003, 20:52

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Originally posted by Lonestar
Support allegation "1"

Han, Luke, & Leia would never have made it out of the Death Star alive.

Moving on to general incompetence, Han attaching himself to the body of a Star destroyer and escaping completely undetected.

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Allegation "B":

Teddy Bears! I don't care how many came to thier picnic! The Empire had months to prepare.