June 26, 2003, 20:19
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Originally posted by Elok
Why do you want to learn French?
"It is the one and only perfectly justified bigotry, that all frenchmen should be set ablaze for inflicting their foul tongue upon the world."
-Probably nobody. But it needs to be said.
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While I prefer German and Italian, I find French to be a beautiful language. It is quite poetic, and it sounds lovely.
While waiting for my flight to London, their was a French family sitting in the airport, and they had a little girl, perhaps 6 years old, who was running around speaking perfect French. It is absolutely one of the most adorable things to hear! 
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Yeah, well, **** you, you ****ing ****.
Now we see the problem...you are afflicted with a severe case of extremely bad taste. Consult a doctor. 
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June 26, 2003, 20:22
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Uh, no it isn't... Pederasty is another way of saying "pedophilia." 
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That's strange. By us, "pédérastie" means male homosexuality, which explains why our slang word for gays is "pédé".
Strange how words look so similar and yet have a different meaning
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June 26, 2003, 20:25
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You maybe thinking of buggery, Spiffor.
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June 26, 2003, 20:33
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
You maybe thinking of buggery, Spiffor.
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Sorry, I don't know this word (and I'm too tired to think of a French word that looks like it).
I'm rather thinking about the strong difference between "ridiculous" and "ridicule". You English-Speakers use the word "ridiculous" when describing something big / huge. We French-speakers use "ridicule" to describe small / minuscule things (or ludicrous things)
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June 26, 2003, 20:40
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More people probably speak Spanish or Chinese than Frog, panag.
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Same goes for english (almost)
But french still is an international language, more then chinese at least (and no, nr12 , nr 54, nr 87 does not count  )
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June 26, 2003, 20:43
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Knowing english will make french easier vocabulary wise, just be prepared to listen to the language, to the intonation.
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June 26, 2003, 20:48
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Strangely enough no French Apolytoner has replied to your initial post Tassadar500. 
Well, most of the good tips have already been given by the previous posters. IMO, learning through a software is rather difficult if you don't have at least a basis in the language learnt, I have tested a few of those softwares and I don't think that even the beginners level are really accessible without a minimal knowledge.
Watching movies in French subtitled in English can be a good start though you should perhaps investigate your neighborhood first, some associations or US/French cooperation organizations could provide French lessons for free or for a minimal fee. I know this kind of schools exist in France... why not in the states?
Whatever your choice be aware that French is a rather complicated language and that you will have to be very patient. Once you have learnt the basis, and if you enjoy role playing games, you can also pick a french version of a game you own (though you should avoid an Hexagonal translation of a White Wolf product). The vocabulary used in those games is generally simpler than the one used in other publications, role playing games also have the advantage to mix technical and "litterary" sections. 
You have all my support... 
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June 26, 2003, 20:51
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Originally posted by Tamerlin
Strangely enough no French Apolytoner has replied to your initial post Tassadar500.
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This must make you an honorary American, Spiffor.
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June 26, 2003, 20:58
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
This must make you an honorary American, Spiffor.
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June 26, 2003, 20:58
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Originally posted by Spiffor
Sorry, I don't know this word (and I'm too tired to think of a French word that looks like it).
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Bougre?
As for Pedarast, it is corruption of Paedarast (paeditrician). Paed = Child in Latin?
I hate the word "paedophile". It is a made up word by the selfish shameful shallow slobs who are child molsesters to make them sound more "acceptable".
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June 26, 2003, 20:59
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Sorry Spiffor, if you are French I didn't knew it... 
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June 26, 2003, 20:59
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You'll live. Just move to New Orleans and you should feel at home.
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June 26, 2003, 21:15
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Spiffor, if you want to translate "buggery" think about " Sodome et Gomorrhe"...
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June 26, 2003, 21:25
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Originally posted by Tamerlin
Spiffor, if you want to translate "buggery" think about "Sodome et Gomorrhe"...
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Oh, ok thanks 
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June 26, 2003, 21:54
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Don't you mean: Quelle Horreur? You know... to keep your cover .
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June 26, 2003, 21:56
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Don't you mean: Quelle Horreur? You know... to keep your cover .
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The assimilation process has already begun.
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June 26, 2003, 21:57
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Originally posted by Tamerlin
Sorry Spiffor, if you are French I didn't knew it...
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Probably because it went out of fashion about the same time Napoleon did. C'est vrai, that is gutter early 19th century Francais.
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June 26, 2003, 22:00
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Well, it's still pretty fashionable over here 
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June 26, 2003, 22:03
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While waiting for my flight to London, their was a French family sitting in the airport, and they had a little girl, perhaps 6 years old, who was running around speaking perfect French. It is absolutely one of the most adorable things to hear!
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Them foreign kids sure are smart, ain't they?
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June 26, 2003, 22:08
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Yeah! I mean, their kids speak French! It's mind-blowing!
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June 26, 2003, 22:18
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More people probably speak Spanish or Chinese than Frog, panag.
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Yeah Tass, if you're going to learn a language.... move to Texas and learn how to speak, "DUMASS CRACKER"
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June 26, 2003, 23:07
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Originally posted by Spiffor
Well, it's still pretty fashionable over here
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Sorry I wasn't more clear Spiffor. I meant the word "bougre" was in fashion in Napoleon's France, not that les pederasts were seen as passez.
In case you are wondering folks, all Brit kids get a bit of French hammered into them until we are like 12 or so.
Most of us forget it the same afternoon.
But a word or 2 sticks. I just can't rmember how to string them together.
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June 27, 2003, 00:41
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Originally posted by SlowwHand
More people probably speak Spanish or Chinese than Frog, panag.
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hi ,
sure , .....
its still an international language , .....
UN documents and websites aint in chinese , .......
spanish belongs to the group of latin languages , speak one and you can easely learn the others , ......
frog is spoken from africa to the schools of naking , from moscow's city center to the streets of brasilia , from canada till , ......
have a nice day
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June 27, 2003, 01:02
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According to the latest Cartoon History of the Universe book, the word "bugger" comes from a medieval Bulgar church sect who practiced anal sex because they believed the flesh so evil that reproduction ought to be avoided. Just FYI.
The problem with French, from my perspective, is that almost every frigging letter is silent and the vowels make you sound like a guy with a steel-wool hairball stuck in the back part of his nose. Plus those ridiculous L-sounds. It just sounds bad.
And yes, pederasty is child molestation. It's considered sexy by a disturbing number of people, as anyone who's been following recent news can tell you.
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June 27, 2003, 01:07
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You mean like the 'th' sound in english???
Yes, french has it difficulties as has every language, but héy, practic makes perfect
If you learn a new language, the first thing you need to do, is forget your native one.
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June 27, 2003, 02:59
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Re: French
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Originally posted by Tassadar5000
I want to learn the French language. I don't have any money at all.
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Can't you get a translator to help you at your information ministry?
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June 27, 2003, 03:18
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June 27, 2003, 15:27
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Originally posted by Spiffor
That's strange. By us, "pédérastie" means ...
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Spiffor, I love you making this mistake. It means you're making advances in learning German . But "by" is rarely equivalent to "bei". I'm not absolutely sure, but I'd say "With us...".
On topic, a foreign language isn't just a collection of words. Grammar and construction of sentences is one thing. When I was learning English, I usually had to adapt a German sentence to a different sequence of words (in German, the conjugated verb is always the second "group" of a main sentence) and to use prepositions which do not exactly match those of German (see above). In French many things are expressed significantly different. So, this may be also an obstacle for native English speakers. But I think to learn this is best done when you have some experience so that you can tackle to read books (at least, this is the most fun way, other than having a French girlfriend).
The other point is pronounciation. Don't try to learn it from books. The internet tutor which was proposed earlier in this thread at least gives sound files which is better than nothing. But I think it is much easier if you have a native speaker (or at least a good teacher) to talk to.
Living in a French-speaking region of course is the best (after you've learned grammar and a basic stock of words). And resist the temptation to speak English. I've heard that there are French people who maliciously don't want to understand you unless you speak perfectly, but I didn't meet them. Usually I found people quite helpful and patient when I spoke/tried to speak French.
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June 27, 2003, 15:36
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Originally posted by alva
If you learn a new language, the first thing you need to do, is forget your native one.
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Pronounciation - yes.
Structure - no. Learn the differences. It's usually easier than to build on nothing. The most helpful hint to learn the continuous form of English verbs was a structure in the dialect of Cologne:
German - Kölsch - English
Er läuft - Hä läuf - He runs
Er läuft - Hä es am loufe - He is running
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June 27, 2003, 15:38
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Originally posted by Adalbertus
German - Kölsch - English
Er läuft - Hä läuf - He runs
Er läuft - Hä es am loufe - He is running
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