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Originally posted by Q Cubed
a) most people are smart enough not to admit that they choked on a pretzel. come on, why not say he and rumsfeld tried boxing?
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Could be worse. He could've tried waving to Stevie Wonder, for example.
...Oh, wait.
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June 29, 2003, 01:19
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The previous administration left detailed intelligence reports for the Bush Administration on Bin Laden, speculating that he was planning a major attack, and urged for a pre-emptive attempt to take out Bin Laden and his supporters.
The Bush Administrations summarily ignored these reports and did jack **** about Bin Laden until September 11th bit us in the ass.
Now, I'm not saying things would have turned out different otherwise, but I would like to posit the theory that, had Gore won the election, he might have taken the warning of the previous administration more seriously and taken steps that could have prevented September 11th in the first place.
We'll never know, of course, who would have been better. Making brass assumptions about what Gore would have done vs. Bush is just that--assumption making. I, for one, think Gore would still be far more preferable as POTUS, if just for the fact we would not have Wolfowitz and Ashcroft.
Oh, and Speer, it was Bush who said "There ought to be limits on freedom," in reference to censoring a web site that made fun of him. And it is his administration which is saying that people "ought to be careful of what they say." Gore has never advocated censorship in this regard.
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June 29, 2003, 01:20
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Originally posted by SlowwHand
GePap, you're amazing.
You use the same facts to condemn Bush and at the same time prop up Gore.
Ever think of going into advertising?
You could probably sell crap to a chicken farmer.
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"The same facts"? All i said was that, given what Gore said pre-election, he would not have cut Taxes so deeply and thus the deficit would not be as high, given that the economy was on a downward trend by late 2000. And I doubt that Gore's people would have ever pushed for a war with Iraq, if 9/11 had happeend anyway (without 9/11, Bush would have not gone to war with Iraq).
I refuse to say how Gore would have done during 9/11 since I have no clue. I can not say he would have done worse, nor can I say he would have done better that Bush.
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June 29, 2003, 01:27
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
The previous administration left detailed intelligence reports for the Bush Administration on Bin Laden, speculating that he was planning a major attack, and urged for a pre-emptive attempt to take out Bin Laden and his supporters.
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Considering thier lackluster response after the Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania and the attack on the USS Cole, I doubt this was given much emphasis by the Clinton administration.
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June 29, 2003, 02:52
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Not to mention the fact that many of the intelligence failures were intra-agency failures and simple non-disclosure to other agencies, i.e. typical bureaucratic turf BS not normally reached by politics, and all of the 19 *******s managed to get their visas (without proper procedures or followup by INS) during the Clinton administration.
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June 29, 2003, 03:03
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Um....
You guys realize your feeding the troll?
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June 29, 2003, 03:07
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Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Um....
You guys realize your feeding the troll?
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stop trying to be pseudo cool. this whole thread is premised on a trolling idea. neone who responds to it obviously knows that. so just let them go.
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June 29, 2003, 03:12
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Originally posted by yavoon
stop trying to be pseudo cool.
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June 29, 2003, 03:20
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That does it... there's no way that anyone who knows that much leetspeak has a 15 year old son.
BUSTED!!!
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June 29, 2003, 03:48
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June 29, 2003, 03:53
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you skip a crucial point:
with Gore as your president, would 9/11 actually have happened ?
edit: well, GePap and Boris mentioned this, but just like the righties here I ignored it first.
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June 29, 2003, 04:08
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Smirnoff Ice rocks.
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June 29, 2003, 04:28
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At first I thought this.
But Bush hasn't been doing a good job the past few months.
I think if Al Gore had a good support staff, and let the Vice President run things like Bush lets Cheny run things  , we would be in good shape.
I like Lieberman. he's almost a conservative  . Daily show had a funny quote about him, but I can't remember the exact wording.
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June 29, 2003, 04:29
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Originally posted by oedo
you skip a crucial point:
with Gore as your president, would 9/11 actually have happened ?
edit: well, GePap and Boris mentioned this, but just like the righties here I ignored it first.
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of course 9/11 would have happened. It was planned months and years in advance. And it's not like terrorist attacks didn't happen under Bill Clinton. And Bill Clinton was a nice guy. He insisted on freeing Palestinian terrorists.
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June 29, 2003, 07:41
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Oh it was definitely a Hobson's choice for the US public, I don't like Gore for the censorship...you all know about the 'Tipper stickers'...besides, what kind of name is Tipper for a first lady?
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June 29, 2003, 08:07
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What bothers me is that in Finnish language, gonorrhea is called "tippuri". That's a bit too close to "Tipper" for my comfort.
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June 29, 2003, 08:08
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lol
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June 29, 2003, 08:31
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if chlamydia weren't an std, it would have the makings for an eccentric, but pretty female's name.
not in korea, too many syllables. but maybe in the us, for instance, where orangejello is a name.
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June 29, 2003, 10:39
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Originally posted by GePap
Like you don't?
No one hear has a clue how anyone else as president would have reacted to 9/11, and no one here can make anything close to a quasi-intelliegent guess about it either.
We can;t even know that if Gore had become president, there would still have been 9/11 (not that the Bushies are at fault with it). We have no clue how the world could have been.
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Dumb thread. What if Bush and Cheney had died on bad White House pizza and Dennis Hastert was president? Hmmmm....
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June 29, 2003, 11:01
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What if Bush had choked on pizza and gotten a huge shiner? Would he have admitted it then?
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June 29, 2003, 11:04
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Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Oh it was definitely a Hobson's choice for the US public, I don't like Gore for the censorship...you all know about the 'Tipper stickers'...besides, what kind of name is Tipper for a first lady?
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I think we've had this discussion before...
Warning labels on record albums != censorship.
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June 29, 2003, 12:27
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Originally posted by Odin
he would of signed Kyoto. Gore also wouldn't of @ssed up the economy.
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Not real good with recent history, eh? Kyoto was alsready signed by Clinton, but unratified. Clinton just signed it as an international PR measures as is had PREVIOUS been rejected in pricinlpe by the senate 99 to 0 in a non binding voted on several of its main provisons. Whatever Clinton, Gore, Bush or any other president tried to do, Kyoto was 100% dead in the USA. Bush just ending the lying and PR BS of the Clinton Admin that there still was a possiblility for it.
Also the economic declined stared in Clinton term, nearly a year before Bush taking office, with its cause presumably averaging another year or so before then.
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June 29, 2003, 12:40
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What if Bush and Cheney had died on bad White House pizza and Dennis Hastert was president
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Hastert.... ::SHUDDERS::
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June 29, 2003, 12:41
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Will no-one ever learn what a ****ing liberal is?
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June 29, 2003, 13:10
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We've redefined it for you.
We just let you keep your name on the language for sentimental reasons.
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June 29, 2003, 13:17
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Gore had no connections to PNAC, the radical thinktank in Washington that as early as 5 years ago supported American invasion of most of the middle east that we're finally getting around to.
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