WC3: The Frozen throne.

Lonestar · July 2, 2003, 22:41

Wow.

Just...wow.

Buy it.

DinoDoc · July 3, 2003, 00:27

It's out already?

DrSpike · July 3, 2003, 05:41

Depends where you are. The release was July 1st, but most countries other than America get it in the few days after. In the UK it comes out tomorrow...........my preordered copy is on its way as we speak.

I played the beta though, and most of the new changes have been incorporated into classic 1.10, so I can see the interface and some of the new graphics.

Lonestar · July 3, 2003, 10:02

The new units kick ass.

And Illidan got's Sargeras' eye, bad juju.

Garth Vader · July 3, 2003, 11:35

I love the interface upgrades, especially the locations of the creep camps!

I will be purchasing the upgrade real soon.

DinoDoc · July 3, 2003, 12:50

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Originally posted by Lonestar
And Illidan got's Sargeras' eye, bad juju.

I thought that his crypt was empty. Where did he get the eye from?

DrSpike · July 4, 2003, 16:34

Got it today.............100% record so far (ok so I only played 1 MP game

).........I played some of the campaign and watched some replays as well.

Dr5pike on Northrend if anyone wants a kicking.

Zero · July 9, 2003, 19:22

undeads own joo no?

I played beta on warforge so maybe final product could have had last min change....

DrSpike · July 9, 2003, 19:44

Most of the korean pro's still play human.........it's too early to say yet really, but I think it's pretty well balanced out of the box.

Adagio · July 10, 2003, 07:21

I have played one game, and haven't seen that many changes... don't see what the big deal is...

DrSpike · July 10, 2003, 07:58

Lol you can't have played much classic then. It is very different.

Adagio · July 10, 2003, 10:14

In which way?

Sure, there's a couple of new Heroes with a couple of new spells and some new units (And the new hero I tried, was the most boring of all of the heroes in the game)... But that doesn't make it worth it...

DrSpike · July 10, 2003, 10:30

Well for the SP campaigns it's a fair but not superb expansion IMO. For MP the gameplay is entirely different, with much more balanced armies and player versus player action.

In Classic there were a few things that have been changed now that held WC3 back (although it was still very good) from being the great game is now will become. Creeping was too powerful, leading to games where player versus player interaction was limited to one winner-takes-all battle. Teching was too easy due to base defences being too strong. In addition the 2 armies in a given matchup would not change much from game to game because the counter system was a little too weak; certain units were unused because of this as well.

Now the added heroes add depth, and the units are more balanced within races, and the counter system means much more variety in any given matchup. Teching is now viable but risky if you attempt it too quick, as it should be.

In short TFT is a great expansion for the MPers.

DrSpike · July 10, 2003, 10:33

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Originally posted by DrSpike
Most of the korean pro's still play human.........it's too early to say yet really, but I think it's pretty well balanced out of the box.

Also I wish to correct this n00b.

I just checked the Kalimdor ladder and undead now dominate it.

The other ladders are pretty mixed though.

FrustratedPoet · July 10, 2003, 10:52

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Originally posted by DrSpike
Also I wish to correct this n00b.

Yeah, correct that simpleton. It's sunday gamers like him that are ruining it for the rest of us.

DrSpike · July 10, 2003, 11:13

Please don't joke about such a serious aspersion.

Garth Vader · July 10, 2003, 11:50

I have found that everything needs too much wood now. I couldn't use many of the new units or abilities because I couldn't afford it.

So I have been playing the campaign. When I finish that I'll give MP a try.

DinoDoc · July 10, 2003, 12:09

How did you people beat the 8th mission of the Night Elf campaign?

Garth Vader · July 11, 2003, 10:53

Was that the last one where you have to destroy the red base?

DinoDoc · July 11, 2003, 12:23

I figured it out. Once I had cleared out enough of the defenses around the wizards around the Eye of Sargeras, I sent in the Faerie Dragons with thier Mana Flare to take them out before the units that were left killed them and the rest of my party.

Soul Survivor · July 11, 2003, 13:13

I could never get WC3 to work on my comp, whenever I tried starting a game, it would work for a few seconds then my comp would restart....

DrSpike · July 11, 2003, 13:16

Don't know if anyone is following the ES World Cup, but Showtime.Werra (the most gosu player ever) is out, after losing to SK.Heman and aT-Tod.

SK.Insomnia is now the favourite, and looking strong.

DrSpike · July 11, 2003, 13:18

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Originally posted by Soul Survivor
I could never get WC3 to work on my comp, whenever I tried starting a game, it would work for a few seconds then my comp would restart....

This is a known issue...........it is solvable (albeit not easily). Post back if you are still interested in WC3.

FrustratedPoet · July 11, 2003, 13:56

gosu?

DrSpike · July 11, 2003, 14:45

Like 1337, but for RTS, most commonly Blizzard's RTS.

Soul Survivor · July 11, 2003, 17:12

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Originally posted by DrSpike

This is a known issue...........it is solvable (albeit not easily). Post back if you are still interested in WC3.

well how difficult would this problem be to solve?

would i have to mess around with system files........ cause thats one thing i like to avoid, it never ends well for me

DrSpike · July 11, 2003, 18:00

http://www.blizzard.com/support/?id=wWarcraft000

Try the info here. What you have sounds like a problem I had briefly (either a crash, or a fatal error msg a minute or 2 after starting the game), which was only solved by a reinstall of windows in the end. However some of the solutions here were successful for others.

The main ones:

Reintall the game. If you have a cracked version try a different crack. Get updated directx and video card drivers. Unistall codec packs. Try the reg fix problem to play without sound and at a deafult refresh rate.

There are others in the link above, under fatal error.

Footie Mad · July 12, 2003, 14:34

Is the mp worth getting into? This comes from someone with 2000+ matches online with starcraft/brood war.

DrSpike · July 12, 2003, 16:18

Simply put, yes. TFT is shaping up to be the best MP RTS game ever..........even better than BW.

Opinion was divided on whether Classic was better then BW or not, mostly because of divisions on the appropriate amount of micro/macro/strategy. WC3 was very micro intensive, with little variety in strategies from game to game, which some people didn't like.

Now the game seems great............just as much micro, but firmer counters and more variety. TFT probably will do for WC3 what BW did for SC.

PLAY IT.