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Hong Kong: Is Democracy taking hold in China?
Going back to when China took over control of HK, I thought that this would mean a Maoist takeover of the previously Democratic British holding. But it seems as if China has allowed HK to continue to self-govern. Recently, China has tried to pass anti-Democratic reforms aimed at curbing free-speech and free-expression, as well as the right to protest. But mass protests have erupted in Hong Kong, and today, I'm hearing reports that China is giving in to the protestors and will not disrupt the Democratic process. The info I'm getting is suggesting that Democratic reforms are going to spread through China as many mainland Chinese see the HK situation as an opprotunity to promote freedom and representative Democracy.
I don't know much about East-Asian politics. But is Democracy starting to take hold? If so, it would be a wonderful thing. I'll celebrate the day China is allowed to enjoy the benefits of Democracy, Freedom, and a market economy.
Free China! 
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July 13, 2003, 16:51
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July 13, 2003, 17:01
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If I'm not mistaken, part of the agreement to hand the colony back to the Chinese was that they wouldn't monkey with it for 50 years. I don't remember if that was with it's economy or government, but I believe it was the government. That is why Beijing hasn't really f*ckered-up Hong Kong...
...yet.
Hong Kong is a potential cash cow for China and a model upon which they are trying to duplicate elsewhere in the mainland. It's doubtful they'd do anything that would truly upset Hong Kong's economy.
EDIT: "...economy of government..." Anyone have a PhD in that?
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July 13, 2003, 17:02
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I reckon we should give Wales to China and see what happens 
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July 13, 2003, 17:02
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UR in 10 ... 9 ... 8 ...
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July 13, 2003, 17:05
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I'd add to that, except it pretty much describes everythign 
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July 13, 2003, 17:05
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In a word: No.
In more words: No way.
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July 13, 2003, 17:08
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In a word: No.
In more words: No way.
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why? explain
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July 13, 2003, 17:28
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Originally posted by Sava
why? explain
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Because, democracy is Hong Kong is only because of the agreement between the Chinese and the british for 50 years.
The rest of the country is still under quite a bit of opression, and there is no sign of that breaking especially under Hu (Hu? Hu!) Jintao.
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July 13, 2003, 17:33
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The rest of the country is still under quite a bit of opression, and there is no sign of that breaking especially under Hu (Hu? Hu!) Jintao.
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do you think the Democracy in Hong Kong will spread? I mean, it's fairly obvious that Hong Kong has a strong economy... won't people on the mainland take notice and demand reform?
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July 13, 2003, 17:38
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Originally posted by Sava
do you think the Democracy in Hong Kong will spread? I mean, it's fairly obvious that Hong Kong has a strong economy... won't people on the mainland take notice and demand reform?
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July 13, 2003, 17:47
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 I just realized that you were tassadar... you changed your avatar
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July 13, 2003, 19:17
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Good point Tass, but in America, dissent used to be treated much the same way... Kent State? I doubt China could use violence to crush pro-Democracy movements. Especially since more and more people support such reforms.
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July 13, 2003, 19:25
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We all seem to be very happy about pro-reform protests in China but pro-reform protests in Iran seem to make a whole lot of people want to bomb Tehran.
Weird.
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July 13, 2003, 19:26
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We all seem to be very happy about pro-reform protests in China but pro-reform protests in Iran seem to make a whole lot of people want to bomb Tehran.
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Does hypocrisy in America surprise you? 
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July 13, 2003, 20:56
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Is democracy taking hold in China?
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No, not in any meaningful way any way.
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July 13, 2003, 20:58
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Nevermind I won't jump to the bait.
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July 13, 2003, 21:08
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Originally posted by Sava
Good point Tass, but in America, dissent used to be treated much the same way... Kent State? I doubt China could use violence to crush pro-Democracy movements. Especially since more and more people support such reforms.
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Sava, you can't compare the two because of the control exercised by the respective governments after the events. People in the US were free to raise hell about Kent State and demand change from elected representatives. The Chinese people were subject to arrest or detainment and even summary execution if they voiced any support for Tiannemen Square protests.
Within its own boarders China could give a $hit about what the rest of the world thinks. They will do what is necessary to maintain power and act insulted if the world questions their "internal" actions. Hong Kong has a temporary special status and may make things more difficult for them, but they will be patient. 4 years after the turnover and they are trying to pass anti-democratic reform. Okay, didn't work this time, but I'll guarantee you that little by little the freedom that Hong Kong enjoys will slowly fade away. The rest of China will be forcibly kept in line if a legitimate threat appears.
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July 13, 2003, 21:37
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Sava, do you really hate America this much?
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July 13, 2003, 21:46
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Fez Sighting +1.
How was your permanent self-imposed vacation from Poly Fez?
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July 13, 2003, 21:51
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I am on vacation in Hawaii...  And that means I am gonna be posting minimally at best. BTW, my plans changed significantly. I am not going to Italy til winter.
Anyways I see most of the usual nuts here have went from attacking Bush to attacking democracy. What arrogance.
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July 13, 2003, 21:53
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Sava, do you really hate America this much?
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But I see most of the usual nuts here
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Fezzie only makes 2 posts, and I can already trip him up
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July 13, 2003, 21:55
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You are a dumb @$$, tass.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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July 13, 2003, 21:55
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You are a dumb @$$, tass.
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Interesting. I'm the one pointing out YOUR fallacies, Fez
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July 13, 2003, 21:58
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What fallacy you damned idiot?
The fact that your arrogant existence is a fallacy?
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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July 13, 2003, 22:03
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July 13, 2003, 22:04
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Oh here comes kiddo... the little "know-it-all" who calls himself a communist... communism itself is a fallacy.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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July 13, 2003, 22:08
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Did you buy that helicopter in the end?
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July 13, 2003, 22:09
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Shut up, commie trash.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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July 13, 2003, 22:16
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What does that mean in your sig about leadership in the US?
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