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Apple Beats Expectations, LindowsOS Gets Major Overhaul!
http://news.com.com/2100-1047_3-1026425.html
Looks like something's catchin' on. . . It's about freakin' time! GO APPLE!!! 
NOTE: Despite a downturn in the stock market today, Apple shares were up $0.29 to $19.87 and was up to $20.15 in after-hours trading. Only a few months ago Apple stock was in the $12 range. Apple stock is starting to look good in a struggling economy. It was even mentioned on CNN.com today. 
http://www.msnbc.com/news/937066.asp
LindowsOS 4.0 was recently released and is very much improved over its previous versions. Not to mention that Lindows.com, the maker of LindowsOS, has sold over 300,000 copies of LindowOS since it was released almost one year ago. That's pretty good considering that Lindows.com is still a startup. LindowsOS runs some Windows-compatible software on it (such as Office 2000), but there really is no need for it as many alternative products such as StarOffice and Lindows Office (based on StarOffice) will also run on it; these programs are very much like M$ Office and can open and save documents in Word, Excel, and Powerpoint formats. Also, WineX 3.1 (from Transgaming), which will run 250 Windows-compatible games on Linux, will soon be available for LindowsOS; in time no one will be able to say that Windows is the ONLY ideal platform to run PC games on). LindowsOS retails for only $49--a bargain compared to price of Windows!
In the meantime, Lycoris, a new company that distributes the Lycoris OS (a product very much like LindowsOS), has recently entered the Desktop Linux Market. Lycoris Desktop/LX retails for only $29, but somewhat lacks the hardware and software support that LindowsOS 4.0 offers (I figure they're a new company; give them some time.  ). This could be a very good thing because it means that there is direct competition against LindowsOS and that will drive up innovation and bring down prices even lower!
Both LindowsOS and Lycoris are distributed on Microtel computers through Walmart.com. You can also get these operating systems through the Lindows.com and Lycoris.com websites or from a participating reseller.
Things sure are looking good for Linux these days. WAY TO GO LINDOWS.COM AND LYCORIS FOR TWO AWESOME ALTERNATIVES TO MICRO$UCK$ WINBLOWS!!!
You know I just love alternative operating systems to Windows. Anything that undermines the dominant evil Wintel world, well, I'm all for it! I do believe that PCs have there place in the market, though. They are for people who want cheap computers that get the job done, but of course, not without all the headaches.  Of course, if you want a PC that's even cheaper than a Windows PC for a great value, get a PC with LindowsOS preinstalled! You won't regret it!
NOTE: I am not looking forward to reading any of Asher's replies to this topic and I shall refuse to do so. I will not even reply to them, but I will reply to posts from others. As you may not already know, I recently put Asher on my ignore list for very good reasons. Also on my ignore list is Sava, for very good reasons as well. And thirdly, Fez is on my ignore list. For the sake of peace, I shall not comment any further on this publicly. No offense intended.
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July 16, 2003, 22:52
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I'll stick with Windows XP, thank you very much. I love it so  .
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July 16, 2003, 22:57
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Apple is still losing market share despite its rising stock market price.
I am sticking with Windows 2000 PRO for the time being.
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July 16, 2003, 23:00
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ten dollars on asher posting here within the next half hour.
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July 16, 2003, 23:00
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Apple is still losing market share despite its rising stock market price.
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Yet again, Apple is doomed. They've been doomed for 10 years now and they are still here.
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8.2% of Americans who surf the web do so using a Mac.
23 percent of TV/Broadcast firms use Apple computers.
More than 57% of web sites that ise video use Apple's QuickTime to deliver it.
Over 18% of all software is sold for the Macintosh.
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July 16, 2003, 23:01
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twenty dollars on him spouting some worthless piece of ignorance.
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July 16, 2003, 23:02
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Originally posted by Agathon
Yet again, Apple is doomed. They've been doomed for 10 years now and they are still here.
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8.2% of Americans who surf the web do so using a Mac.
23 percent of TV/Broadcast firms use Apple computers.
More than 57% of web sites that ise video use Apple's QuickTime to deliver it.
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Cite my good friend.
Apple wasn't doomed ten years ago. They made some errors and have paid dearly for it. They have been steadily losing market share.
57% of websites use video use Apples quicktime? I don't think so. Actually most use Realplayer/Realone.
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July 16, 2003, 23:03
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Who'd be dumb enough to take the bet?
If you really want to prove something, predict the argument he'll use to downplay this news.
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July 16, 2003, 23:04
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Well he should bring up, Intel stock is doing very well too and that Intel has beaten expectations... I don't care much for intel.. but he does...
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Intel and Apple aren't competitors.
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July 16, 2003, 23:05
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Apple wasn't doomed ten years ago. They made some errors and have paid dearly for it. They have been steadily losing market share.
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But way more people use computers now than used them 10 years ago - so in sheer numbers they are doing OK.
Look Apple competes in the education, home use and high end pro video/graphics markets, and that's it.
I personally don't think they'll ever get over 5% share, all we can hope for is that Linux destroys the Windows monopoly. Then computer users will be able to benefit from real competition.
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July 16, 2003, 23:07
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But way more people use computers now than used them 10 years ago - so in sheer numbers they are doing OK.
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Yes they do. But how well? Their technology is antiquated right now. The failure to boost their CPUs in recent years have led to further market downfall.
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A communist talking about competition? 
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I personally don't think they'll ever get over 5% share, all we can hope for is that Linux destroys the Windows monopoly. Then computer users will be able to benefit from real competition.
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When do Mac users get to benefit from real competition? 
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July 16, 2003, 23:08
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While all of Agathons quotes are impressive....
1) I wish for Agathon to quite the WINTEL percentages for those, and then compare the two
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July 16, 2003, 23:08
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Intel and Apple aren't competitors.
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Actually that is the problem for Apple. There is no one company making PCs using Intel or AMD CPUs. That is a major problem for Apple.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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July 16, 2003, 23:09
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We don't now? We could always switch to Windows if we wanted to or, more likely, lost our minds.
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July 16, 2003, 23:10
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Already on it. 
Other interesting tidbits: MS won the massive Homeland Security bit. Big surprise there. It's huge news to people like Urban Ranger when Berlin invests $1M in Linux desktops, but it's not that big of a deal when MS wins a $500M or $120M contract.
Cloud9 also conveniently forgets to mention that Apple's profits are actually on a decline compared to last year...and last year was far worse economically than this year.
Intel beat expectations too, and totally dwarfs Apple as can be expected. Net income was $896M on revenues of $6.8B due to unexpectedly high Pentium 4 (and Pentium M) sales due to AMD's "unexpected*" suckiness. Next quarter, Intel expects $6.9B-$7.5B in revenue as well as higher profit margins, so ~$1B in profit.
And AMD once again proved it is a poorly managed company, with another net loss of $140M on revenues of $600M. (down from revenues of $715M last quarter ) AMD ain't even close to being in the same league.
Unexpected is in quotes because I've been saying that would happen the entire time.
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Actually that is the problem for Apple. There is no one company making PCs using Intel or AMD CPUs. That is a major problem for Apple.
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Surely I'm not the only one who cannot make sense of this statement?
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But don't you guys argue that Apple computers are a different market entirely and not like PCs?
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But don't you guys argue that Apple computers are a different market entirely and not like PCs?
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I don't.
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Actually that is the problem for Apple. There is no one company making PCs using Intel or AMD CPUs. That is a major problem for Apple.
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Surely I'm not the only one who cannot make sense of this statement?
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Let me clarify.. it was ambigious... Apple is the only one manufacturing its computer right? Well in the PC market, there is Gateway, IBM, and various others who manufacture computers.
Now does it make sense?
Asher, Intel is out of my price range, so I am sticking with AMD.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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Originally posted by Agathon
Yet again, Apple is doomed. They've been doomed for 10 years now and they are still here.
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8.2% of Americans who surf the web do so using a Mac.
23 percent of TV/Broadcast firms use Apple computers.
More than 57% of web sites that ise video use Apple's QuickTime to deliver it.
Over 18% of all software is sold for the Macintosh.
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I call bullshit!
/me kicks you in the groin for thinking everyone here is dumb enough to buy into that.
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Asher, Intel is out of my price range, so I am sticking with AMD.
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Are things really that different in California?
I'll quote local prices for you (CDN$):
Athlon XP 3200+: $669.95
P4 3.0GHz: $599.95
And the 3.0GHz P4 is actually faster on average...
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You should . 5% market share isn't something to get excited about if you consider yourself in the same market .
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How ironic that a Linux Geek comes in here and presents Lindows as an alternative to Microsoft. A wannabe Linux distro that owes its meager "success" to COPYING MICROSOFT'S INTERFACE.
Get it through your head. Nobody uses Linux. It sucks. A toy. The only reason companies use it is because they are all broke right now and can't afford anything else.
Though Linux Geeks will continue to post silly little news stories in hopes that their zealot OS finally "beats the bad guy."
Been posting hopeless stories like these since 1995! 
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I don't care about market-share. I just know which OS I like better.
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How ironic that a Linux Geek comes in here and presents Lindows as an alternative to Microsoft. A wannabe Linux distro that owes its meager "success" to COPYING MICROSOFT'S INTERFACE.
Get it through your head. Nobody uses Linux. It sucks. A toy. The only reason companies use it is because they are all broke right now and can't afford anything else.
Though Linux Geeks will continue to post silly little news stories in hopes that their zealot OS finally "beats the bad guy."
Been posting hopeless stories like these since 1995!
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Are things really that different in California?
I'll quote local prices for you (CDN$):
Athlon XP 3200+: $669.95
P4 3.0GHz: $599.95
And the 3.0GHz P4 is actually faster on average...
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Considering both are out of my price range forget it. I am mostly into the mid range market.
BTW, I am not going to in California until the 14th of August. Right now I am kicking back in Hawaii... plans change.. damn.. I wanted to go to Italy..  But plans change...
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So you only use Mac for the OS? You don't care about the hardware of the computer or anything?
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While all of Agathons quotes are impressive....
1) I wish for Agathon to quite the WINTEL percentages for those, and then compare the two
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That's a totally spurious comparison. As I said many of these computers are used in markets in which Apple does not compete and is not interested in competing.
Anyway, more people buy Britney's records than those of the Berlin Philharmonic, but that doesn't mean that Britney is better.
Windows is an objectionable piece of software from a user's perspective but not half as objectionable as the MS monopoly which has prevented users from enjoying the benefits of a competitive market in OS software. That's why I and all other rational computer users support the adoption of Linux as a means to freeing users from a destructive monopoly.
If you want to know how bad MS is just look at IE for the Macintosh. Almost nobody used it because it was so bad. Finally, in desperation, Apple got hold of Konqueror and modified it to run on OS X. It's smaller, faster, less prone to crashing, has a better interface and has more features than the bloated IE. They couldn't even compete with a modified piece of software which was free.
Fez: "Competition is a weapon to increase production" - Che Guevara.
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