It's official...... I've had a total reverse and wish the war in Iraq didnt happen

Vesayen · July 17, 2003, 12:17

PERHAPS if Bush had managed to convincingly explain why we went to war after it ended, without blatantly lying I wouldnt of changed my view, but the volume of bull#### currently flying couldnt fill a NYC sewer...... I know it wont happen but im all in favor of an impeachment, and so far as I know, isnt lying in the state of the union adress a federal crime?

Note: I still think going into Iraq was a good idea, if nothing else liberating the people(who will still hate us anyway), BUTunder the proper pretense, i.e. he is a psycho abusing his people,

!!!NOT!!! under a pretense of "we will say hes a threat so we can get oil in 2 to 3 years"........ I cant believe im saying this but im agreeing with the peace protestors......

SlowwHand · July 17, 2003, 12:21

Like anyone, up to and including Bush, wanted a ****ing war.

Japher · July 17, 2003, 12:22

3 new threads in one day!!! I think you have commited a sin...

Vesayen · July 17, 2003, 12:22

Is that sarcasm? He pushed the war and lied to do it, so he certainly did want one.

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Originally posted by Japher
3 new threads in one day!!! I think you have commited a sin...

3?

Edit: ####......... didnt realize.

GePap · July 17, 2003, 12:25

Whishing the war had not occured is fine, but we have to now live with the consequences of the policy pushed by the admin, so the thing to do is see what can be done to turn this into a success: one thing owuld be to get rid of this admin, cause they seem to be good at going in, lousy at following up and dealing with what they create.

DinoDoc · July 17, 2003, 12:26

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Originally posted by Vesayen
Edit: ####......... didnt realize.

Liar.

Kidicious · July 17, 2003, 12:29

If things keep going like this Dean will probably be elected. He might pull the troops out soon.

Vesayen · July 17, 2003, 12:29

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Originally posted by GePap
Whishing the war had not occured is fine, but we have to now live with the consequences of the policy pushed by the admin, so the thing to do is see what can be done to turn this into a success: one thing owuld be to get rid of this admin, cause they seem to be good at going in, lousy at following up and dealing with what they create.

If God truly loves America, he wont be re-elected.

DinoDoc · July 17, 2003, 12:30

I doubt that. He'd be more likely to shove it off to the UN though.

MikeH · July 17, 2003, 12:32

What's God got to do with it?

D' Artagnan · July 17, 2003, 12:32

I would more accurately say : if Americans truly love America, he won't be re-elected

DinoDoc · July 17, 2003, 12:33

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Originally posted by MikeH
What's God got to do with it?

Justification for the lazy people who don't want to get out and vote?

Japher · July 17, 2003, 12:34

Lately, Americans have had a knack for electing some pretty awful presidents... Yet, there ain't a soul who runs who I would vote for.

I wish Guliani (can't spell, New York dude) would run. I'd vote for him on any ticket.!

MikeH · July 17, 2003, 12:34

Both good answers.

SlowwHand · July 17, 2003, 12:38

Vesayen, you need to borrow some of Zylka's meds.

Vesayen · July 17, 2003, 12:38

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Originally posted by Japher
I wish Guliani (can't spell, New York dude) would run. I'd vote for him on any ticket.!

Same

GePap · July 17, 2003, 12:43

HELL NO!

The man lacks the ability to understand "balance of power", as exists under the consitution.

Kid: I do not want the US troops to pull out: more need to be put in.

DD: Bush can pass it on to the UN: no one in the UN will allow him to make them patsies: they would preffer to let Bush sink and make him pay. It is childish, but that is what we do to the UN as well, so what can one expect. We would need a new, less anti-UN admin.

Japher · July 17, 2003, 12:45

Fine GePap, who do you want?

We are very good at addressing the problem, but suk at addressing the solution... Let's just whine somemore and rely on everyone else to fix the problem... (that, too was sarcasm)

DinoDoc · July 17, 2003, 12:46

GePap: I'm actually hoping that some sort of quid pro quo was worked out with the UN Secretary General wrt Iraq and Liberia given how much people were clamoring for our intervention there.

Kidicious · July 17, 2003, 12:49

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Originally posted by GePap
HELL NO!

The man lacks the ability to understand "balance of power", as exists under the consitution.

Kid: I do not want the US troops to pull out: more need to be put in.

DD: Bush can pass it on to the UN: no one in the UN will allow him to make them patsies: they would preffer to let Bush sink and make him pay. It is childish, but that is what we do to the UN as well, so what can one expect. We would need a new, less anti-UN admin.

Maybe the UN won't take over unless we pull out.

Az · July 17, 2003, 12:51

Yes, it seems that US lacks the power needed to hold Iraq. how many troops do you have there?

GePap · July 17, 2003, 12:51

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Originally posted by DinoDoc
GePap: I'm actually hoping that some sort of quid pro quo was worked out with the UN Secretary General wrt Iraq and Liberia given how much people were clamoring for our intervention there.

Koffi by himself can't do much: Bush basically said before the War that the US was more than willing to go alone: now, he has to live with the fact that people will come and say: "you said you would go alone, so deal with it yourselves!"

As for Liberia, The US will be only a small part of that mission, if what they are talking about, comes true, that is, a large West African force with some small US support.

Lousy sarcasm Japher.

What do I want? The admin. to pour tens of billions into Iraq, to allow competative bidding by international comapnies to rebuild the country: to get of the high horse and state openly we can;t do it alone and ask the internaitonal community for help. None of those things will be doen by the BUshies, who are to cheap to spend on anything other than military toys and tax cuts, and are too deluded with illusions of thier great power to realize when they were wrong.

Boris Godunov · July 17, 2003, 22:48

Take it from New Yorkers. Giuliani would not make a good President. See how he antagonized pretty much any minority group in NYC. See how he led us into a crippling deficit. See how he let his marriage woes overwhelm his mayorship. See how he abused the authority of his position time and time again...

Oh wait, he's the guy who gave the nice talks after September 11th. That makes him a good choice then...

Seriously, if you don't like Bush for being draconian and dishonest, you'd hate Giuliani.

Kidicious · July 17, 2003, 22:59

I know a lot of New Yorkers hate Giuliani. He's hated even here in Cali, even though many only know him since 9-11.

St Leo · July 17, 2003, 23:47

The only pro-war person I know in real life has become anti-war now. Like me, he thought that this war was about spreading the American way of life. The difference was that I had faith in Bush's ability to bungle things up and he didn't. My faith proved right.:P