four more years! four more years! - Page 5

Giancarlo · July 20, 2003, 18:18

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Originally posted by Evil Knevil

Like.... by throwing people from helicopters?

I do not do such things and never would think of doing such a thing. Every time I mentioned it, it included a smiliey and a joking tone.

You are too serious. I wouldn't be surprised if you would have a heart attack because of your humorless nature.

MichaeltheGreat · July 20, 2003, 18:19

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Originally posted by Fez
Well I reported him nonetheless... proper action will be taken. He speaks falsely.

Yes, it will. I'm glad you don't presume to say for me what that proper action is, though.

and by the way....

CHILL EVERYONE!

Az · July 20, 2003, 18:20

I am cool. no need to chill me. I am having fun here.

Giancarlo · July 20, 2003, 18:20

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Originally posted by GePap
I really can't imagine you have the gaul to say what you say.

Yes, people have the right to be voiced, and you are one of the people most likely to attack anyone and everyone who disagrees with you: you are the one likely to label people murderers, criminals, and all other sorts of things. For you to accuse anyone else of such things is hypocrasy at its greatest and most vile.

I have not denied that I did such things in the past. But I will not stand for these accusations at present. You are ignorant of what I have done to change my views. I have moderated. The political compass test as we all know is not an accurate indicator but it does show a big moderation in my beliefs.

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The langueges we speak has nothing to do with it: it is personality, which is language free. I sure you are as offensive politically to others in Spanish as in English.

Again false charges. I am not offensive. Only you have been.

Evil Knevil · July 20, 2003, 18:21

Sorry.... I was just trying to be succinct and pithy.

On the contrary, I don't take life too seriously. Unlike some people who call in the moderators if a sig offends them......

Giancarlo · July 20, 2003, 18:21

Sorry MtG, I did not see your post. I will cool down.

Giancarlo · July 20, 2003, 18:22

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Originally posted by Evil Knevil
Sorry.... I was just trying to be succinct and pithy.

On the contrary, I don't take life too seriously. Unlike some people who call in the moderators if a sig offends them......

This is a place of rules, not anarchy. I learned that by getting warnings in the past. You should remove that quote. Maybe I should get the rest of Spanish posters to join me?

Evil Knevil · July 20, 2003, 18:27

Go ahead. If you all protest, I will not change it. If you spam my inbox, I will not change it. If you threaten me in every thread I make, I will not change it. If the moderator asks me to change it, I will not change it.

Oh, and as far as I know, I'm not breaking any rules, so I'm not creating anarchy by smashing up any rules.

Cruddy · July 20, 2003, 18:27

Evil Knevil, that sig is a troll. Don't try to deny it. Ever been to Spain? Do you get all you info from dusty history books? If you're on that much of a high horse, why not diss Rome and the Italians too?

You could at least put some sort of a disclaimer on it.

OT: I wouldn't be at all surprised to see GWB get 4 more years. I'd be much more surprised if he didn't, for reasons already stated.

GePap · July 20, 2003, 18:27

I stand by everything I said. Given what I feel, that was the most civil way I could do so: I do not care to fill anyone's PM boxes with somehting I think should be said openly.

I have no problem with a strict enforcement of civility, in fact, it would be greatly appreciated.

Giancarlo · July 20, 2003, 18:29

Evil, we did horrible things. But we are a different country and different people. We are not the same. Those who committed those crime are long dead. Your sig is a poor troll and is not applicable today at all.

Evil Knevil · July 20, 2003, 18:33

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Evil Knevil, that sig is a troll. Don't try to deny it. Ever been to Spain? Do you get all you info from dusty history books? If you're on that much of a high horse, why not diss Rome and the Italians too?

1/ I've had that sig for a little while, since before Fez became active again.

2/I was trying to highlight Spain's mostly 'ignored' historical crimes.

3/ I've been 5 times. Granada (then Cordoba), Costa Del Sol, Madrid, Barcelona and Bilbao (but only for 2 days).

Giancarlo · July 20, 2003, 18:33

I bet you hated my country as you demonstrated in the past.

Highlight crimes? Forgive them. And move on.

Why do you this? To annoy me? You are nothing but a poor troll.

Evil Knevil · July 20, 2003, 18:37

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Originally posted by Fez
Evil, we did horrible things. But we are a different country and different people. We are not the same. Those who committed those crime are long dead. Your sig is a poor troll and is not applicable today at all.

.....except for the survivors from the times of the Junta?

Wether or not the crimes were committed a long time ago, they exist. Spain has not apologised. I just wished to highlight her crimes.

Cruddy · July 20, 2003, 18:40

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Originally posted by Evil Knevil

1/ I've had that sig for a little while, since before Fez became active again.

Irrelevent. Once a troll sig is complained about it becomes highlighted as a troll sig.

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Originally posted by Evil Knevil
2/I was trying to highlight Spain's mostly 'ignored' historical crimes.

It sounds more like an incitement to violence from where I'm sitting. You think we shouldn't ignore these events? You think we should DO SOMETHING ABOUT THEM?

LIKE WHAT? It's not going to bring back the dead, is it? And why not highlight the persecution of the Spanish by the French in the early 1800s, eh? Or the origin of the word "guerrilla"?

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Originally posted by Evil Knevil
3/ I've been 5 times. Granada (then Cordoba), Costa Del Sol, Madrid, Barcelona and Bilbao (but only for 2 days).

Right. So you hate Spain and you've been to Spain 5 times... the most public admission of hypocrisy I've yet seen here.

Evil Knevil · July 20, 2003, 18:43

I don't hate Spain for Elvis's sake.

Cruddy · July 20, 2003, 18:50

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Originally posted by Evil Knevil
I don't hate Spain for Elvis's sake.

Then why the sig? You want it to have been aborted, to have never existed, yet you say you don't hate it.

Illogical captain.

Decision time Evil... either admit you hate Spain or change the sig - or be seen as a ****wit.

Evil Knevil · July 20, 2003, 18:50

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It sounds more like an incitement to violence from where I'm sitting.

Where is the verb that describes any sort of action? Any action at all? .....

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You think we shouldn't ignore these events? You think we should DO SOMETHING ABOUT THEM?
LIKE WHAT? It's not going to bring back the dead, is it? And why not highlight the persecution of the Spanish by the French in the early 1800s, eh? Or the origin of the word "guerrilla"?

Why remember the Armenian massacre? I mean it's not going to bring back the dead Why remember the Holocaust? its not going to bring back the dead. Why remember 9/11? Its not going to bring back the dead.

Also, I never claimed that Spain was the worst country in the world, nor the most evil. I never claimed to hate Spain. Quit presuming.

Evil Knevil · July 20, 2003, 18:54

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Decision time Evil... either admit you hate Spain or change the sig - or be seen as a ****wit

I hate Spain for what it did, but not for what it has become now.

MichaeltheGreat · July 20, 2003, 18:55

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Originally posted by Evil Knevil
Go ahead. If you all protest, I will not change it. If you spam my inbox, I will not change it. If you threaten me in every thread I make, I will not change it.

Frankly, I was monumentally uninterested in this complaint, until I read this...

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If the moderator asks me to change it, I will not change it.

Oh, and as far as I know, I'm not breaking any rules, so I'm not creating anarchy by smashing up any rules.

Let's dispose of the second part first. If a mod "asks"

you not to do something, that becomes a rule. Arbitrary? Yes, and your point would be?

You know I never really "ask" anything, right? A polite "request" is really just an order presented in such a way as to salve the chapped ego of the recipient of that "request." You do understand this point, I hope?

Now Ming or rah might waste time discussing and explaining, etc., but I just expect (and enforce) compliance.

So I "suggest" in a very friendly, non-threatening way, that you reexamine and correct your attitude in the post I quoted from above, otherwise, I will have to make an example of your sig. And no, I won't ask you to change it.

Evil Knevil · July 20, 2003, 18:59

Oh, I see... your word is automatically law, I understand

My response about anarchy was to Fez.

MichaeltheGreat · July 20, 2003, 19:03

I know it was, but that "if a moderator {snip} I will not" thang just appeared to be a bit of nascent rebellion which I hope will not need to be crushed under my merciless jump boot heel?

Cruddy · July 20, 2003, 19:06

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Originally posted by Evil Knevil

I hate Spain for what it did, but not for what it has become now.

Here you a lumping an entire country together for the crimes of a few.

Stereotyping in this fashion is a sympton of an immature mind.

If you honestly cannot seperate the guilty from the innocent - please, never enter the legal profession.

Evil Knevil · July 20, 2003, 19:10

Hmm. Fair enough, I was thinking about my phrasing. I ment Spain as an abstract entity as a 'nation'. I certainly don't mean to lump every single Spanish person together under 'murder'. I do see some Apolytoners, as well as people in the real world hate Israel and Israelis as a collective whole. I don't mean that.

Cruddy · July 20, 2003, 19:14

Maybe if you put it all in the pas tense it would get the meaning over...

I mean, Spain today is a fantastic holiday destination. Why put people off with the facts of yesterday, when the facts of today are so different?

Thanks for listening.

Evil Knevil · July 20, 2003, 19:17

Oh good, we got some closure

I'll try and rephrase it.

Anyway, I've finally got to get back to work. So cheerio everyone, including Fez.

gopher · July 20, 2003, 19:40

Holy threadjack, Batman!!!!

OT: Remember, we still have 16 months before the elections. A lot can happen then. The US public has a very short memory, which can hurt the Prez's chances. If the economy keeps on hurting, and US servicemen keep on getting killed, the focus will not be on the "sucessful" overthrow of Hussein, but of the failures of a resolution of the combat. Besides, it's the economy, stupid! worked in '92, when a supposedly uncharismatic and hopless Arkansas govener defeated a war-victorious moderate Republican.

Patroklos · July 20, 2003, 19:40

So odd that we go from discussing Bush's reelection chances to the history of Spain and then onto the power of moderators.

Jesus people, you basically ran out all those who were having (except for a few rants) a rather good discussion, and turned it into a pissing contest over one of the most stupid things I have yet to read on these forums. I used to think the liberals I argue against were the most ignorant people around. I stand corrected.

You both seem to agree that you are adults, so how about after this post we just don't here anything else from either of you. Unless is is OT

Agathon · July 20, 2003, 19:49

Down with the stinking barbarous Spanish thugs who bring terror to the rest of Europe.

Of course, I'm talking about Real Madrid fans... but there you go.

Patroklos · July 20, 2003, 19:54

Bieng one of those serviceman, you are hard pressed to find any who think Bush's war policy is wrong. We all knew we would be there longer than he said because we know how this works, the comments were for civilian armchair generals who think everything is life is easy and free. If we doing the dying can handle the casualties (not that we like it, but some things are worth dying for, and if you are not in the service don't bother adding your two cents to that comment because you have no right to. No matter how much you think you do trunst me you don't. Free speech says you can say what you want, not that you should) so can you. If we think Bush is handling things IN THIS ASSPECT of his presidency well, then you should take our enlightended word for it.

Also, I find it so odd that the liberals (I say liberals because democrats are not exactly the same, they can be decent people that happen to approach things from a different direction for the most part) go on and on about our casualties and the death of our proud young men when they spit on and curse and harrange them whenever they see us (and spare the revisionist bull if your one of them, I have had the pleasure of walking by your rallies and it is absolutly true).

You actually attacked Bush for personally going to a returning ship to welcome the boys home and give them a job well done. Because of course the leader of the nation and our Commander and Chief has no buisness doing that, right? That in itself is why the Bush will win, because all his opponents have a nasty habit of shooting themselves in the head.