Breaking News: Saddam's two sons are killed by US Special Forces. - Page 6

Sava · July 23, 2003, 10:55

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As long as they come to the US, and spend it here to stimulate the economy.

I'd much rather see them spend the money on schools and hospitals for Iraqi children.

Ogie Oglethorpe · July 23, 2003, 10:57

Sheesh, you and your morals.

PLATO · July 23, 2003, 11:02

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Originally posted by trickey

No one happens to know the quickest way to Iraq, do they?

Nearest Army induction center?

PLATO · July 23, 2003, 11:03

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Originally posted by Sava
I'd much rather see them spend the money on schools and hospitals for Iraqi children.

HA! Let's see if we can spend some money on our own first.

TCO · July 23, 2003, 12:31

This is just as well. This way we don't have to deal with the whining from softer Europe for hanging the two.

MichaeltheGreat · July 23, 2003, 12:40

They're already whining. Even some of our own Lima Deltas.

Saras · July 23, 2003, 12:42

Lima Deltas? LD?

Oerdin · July 23, 2003, 12:45

Yes, but there will always be a certain amount of background whining no matter how the chips fall. Over all the level of whining has been fairly subdued. Don't you think?

TCO · July 23, 2003, 12:45

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Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
They're already whining. Even some of our own Lima Deltas.

Hadn't seen that. Thought it was playing pretty much in unison. It is natural for political opponenets to have a little part of their mind wishing for bad news for a foe--would be same in reverse--but I think most are happy that we got them, overall.) Even NPR was playing it neutral. And ABC, CBS were exultant. "2 down, 1 to go!" was their story lead.

Oerdin · July 23, 2003, 12:48

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Originally posted by Saras
Lima Deltas? LD?

Liberal Democrats.

Lima is Army talk for "L" and Delta is Army talk for "D".

Saras · July 23, 2003, 13:09

I KNOW lima delta zulu whiskey etc.

On LD's - the Liberal Dems in UK HQ are in the former house of Barbara Cartland, and on a guided boat tour on river Thames the boaties cracked jokes how this was usually known as the "fairytale house".

Kramerman · July 23, 2003, 15:52

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Originally posted by laurentius
You americans never seize to amaze me these days. "Bush gets a nice boost"...for killing people!?
You really are cruel people. You love to torture, kill and destroy the lives of every "enemy of america" your adminstration tells you. I'm enemy of this kind of barbarism, so I guess I'm Enemy of America? I'm beginning to think the old cold war status quo was better than you barbaric cowboys running wild...

ACHTUNG! political disclaimer:
SH and his sons were cold blooded murderers and rapists. They deserve to be convicted for their crimes. Still they are humanbeings. But I hate it when Bush says theyre fighting against terrorism and for democracy and then commits terrorist acts around the world and goes murdering people...

*notes political disclaimer*

Kramerman · July 23, 2003, 15:59

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Originally posted by Saras

I don't support ANY politician 100%. BUT I think the US is more right than wrong in taking Saddam out. And you "crybaby" troll how the US is hated for killing Saddies sons was VERY bad form.

What does suck most, though is people assuming everyone in Europe thinks the same.

Yeah, Perkunas. Are you a born-again pagan?

Saras is up ther on my 'favorite Euro' list with TheStinger, The Viceroy, and several others, so i take his opinon seriously

Kramerman · July 23, 2003, 16:02

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Originally posted by Sava

**** the Husseins! Ding dong the dicks are dead!

sava

Pekka -

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You know what that nietzsche guy said that when you're taking out monsters, you need to watch out you won't become one. I take it seriously, I think all fighting should be done without passion in order it to be effective...
Distance yourself a bit, be analytical about it, respect the enemy for its abilities and strike hard. Outcome is not celebrating for my personally, it's just a job done. But I am pleased. It goes both ways.. not enjoying yourself too much, and not get down when you're getting crushed. Yeah what am I talking about, I even wasn't there..just posting to internet about it.. I'm such a TOOL

I like that way of thinking i shall Post-postingly edit all my posts that express emotion. i wish to remain stoic.

Ned · July 23, 2003, 17:20

As I said before, the question is not whether we deliberately killed the two, but is why they chose to die in battle rather than surrender? Very much like Hitler, I suspect. They knew what fate was in store for them had they been captured.

Kuciwalker · July 23, 2003, 17:25

I agree with Sava...

Dr Strangelove · July 23, 2003, 18:10

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Originally posted by Ned
If the 101st Airborne were trying to kill them, they would have surrounded the house and then dropped three or four smart bombs on the place.

I find it incredible though that the two sons wanted to go down fighting. Did they fear something worse than death if they were captured?

If you had ever gotten a whuppin' from Daddy Saddam you wouldn't even ask that question.

Giancarlo · July 23, 2003, 18:23

Edit: Wrong link.. interesting information...

http://www.dod.mil/transcripts/2003/...0723-0443.html

"WASHINGTON, July 23, 2003 – U.S. military officials in Iraq believe a coalition missile barrage at roughly 1 p.m. local time July 22 struck the fatal blow to Uday and Qusay Hussein.

Army Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez this morning described the 101st Airborne Division operation in northeast Mosul, Iraq, that led to the deaths of Saddam Hussein's sons, numbers two and three on U.S. Central Command's list of most wanted members of the former regime, and two others.

Published media reports have said the other two individuals were Qusay Hussein's 14-year-old son and a bodyguard. Sanchez was unable to confirm this, saying officials are still working to positively identify the other two bodies.

Speaking at a press conference in Baghdad, Sanchez, the commander of Coalition Joint Task Force 7, said July 22 was "a landmark day for the people and the future of Iraq."

In a White House appearance a few hours later, President Bush agreed. "Yesterday, in the city of Mosul, the careers of two of the regime's chief henchmen came to an end," Bush said in an appearance with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Joint Chief's Chairman Air Force Gen. Richard Myers, and Ambassador L. Paul Bremer, the U.S. civil administrator in Iraq.

"Saddam Hussein's sons were responsible for torture, maiming and murder of countless Iraqis," he said. "Now more than ever, all Iraqis can know that the former regime is gone and will not be coming back."

Sanchez said the operation began late July 21, when an Iraqi civilian gave coalition forces information as to the whereabouts of Uday and Qusay.

That night, coalition commanders planned the operation, gathered the required troops and weapons systems, and cordoned off the neighborhood. Iraqi police established an outer perimeter, Sanchez said.

The general said the mission began at 10 a.m. July 22 as a "cordon-and-knock operation," in which coalition troops secure an area then knock and ask if the individuals they are looking for are in the residence. In this instance, troops "knocked" using a bullhorn to order everyone out of the building. When they got no response, soldiers entered the home at 10:10 a.m. local time.

"Immediately upon entering the building, shots were fired," Sanchez said. "We immediately determined that the targeted individuals were barricaded in the fortified portion of the building, which was the second floor, and they started engaging with small arms," believed to be AK-47 rifles.

Three soldiers were injured on the stairs and another outside the building before the unit withdrew and called in a quick-reaction force and "heavy weaponry."

The injured soldiers were evacuated within minutes. At this point, ground commanders decided it was appropriate to "prep the objective prior to reentry," Sanchez said. In military speak, this means to use heavier firepower to make the situation safer for the soldiers on the ground. In this case, commanders called for the use of OH-58D Kiowa Warrior helicopters and their 2.75-inch rockets, Mark-19 grenade launchers, AT-4 rockets, and helicopter- and humvee- mounted .50-caliber machine guns.

At noon, the general explained, soldiers attempted entry again and again took fire from the second floor and chose to withdraw. Clearly, further "preparatory fires" were called for.

At 1 p.m., forces on the ground fired 10 tube-launched optically tracked wire- guided missiles, commonly called TOWs, into the house. "We believe that it is likely that the TOW missile attack was what wound up killing three of the adults," Sanchez said.

At this point, he explained, officials considered using heavier weapons, such as those on AH-64 Apache helicopters and Air Force A-10 Thunderbolt IIs, which were standing by, but decided against that course of action because of the risk of unintended damage to the surrounding neighborhood.

Twenty-one minutes later, forces again entered the home, took fire as they reached the second floor, and "killed the remaining individual."

Officials went to great lengths to confirm that two of the bodies were those of Uday and Qusay. Sanchez said that four separate senior members of the former regime identified the bodies independently, including number four on the list, Abid Hamid Mahmud, Saddam Hussein's personal secretary.

Officials studied x-rays that showed old wounds on one of the bodies were consistent with injuries Uday Hussein was known to have suffered in an earlier assassination attempt that left him partially paralyzed. Dental records also provided conclusive evidence of the identities of the two. Sanchez explained that because of damage to the body, dental records provided a 90 percent match for Uday. But dental records showed a 100 percent match for Qusay.

Autopsies will follow, he said, adding that officials are considering how to provide proof of the brothers' deaths to the Iraqi people. "We will provide follow-on information over the course of the coming days," he said. Sanchez also refused to rule out providing photographs of the bodies to the Iraqi public. "

TCO · July 23, 2003, 18:40

ARe people unhappy that we didn't try to get a negotiated surrender (i.e. that we didn't "freeze" the situation like a cop standoff) or do they claim that we actively ignored a surrender display?

I Am Jeff · July 23, 2003, 21:04

I did not read all of what is here, so forgive me if I repeat, but the news said that it looks like at least one of them commited suicide. A shot through the mouth coming out the other side.

MichaeltheGreat · July 23, 2003, 21:16

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Originally posted by Oerdin

Liberal Democrats.

Lima is Army talk for "L" and Delta is Army talk for "D".

That is another translation that fits.

Should we clue the uninitiated in on the true meaning, or just leave them wondering?

The Mad Monk · July 23, 2003, 23:01

Lackadaisical Dimwits?

The Mad Monk · July 23, 2003, 23:01

Learning Diabled?

The Mad Monk · July 23, 2003, 23:03

Loping Dingoes?

Kuciwalker · July 23, 2003, 23:03

Clue us in

Kramerman · July 23, 2003, 23:08

lazy d*ck?

Dr Strangelove · July 23, 2003, 23:31

Less Desireables?

DarthVeda · July 24, 2003, 00:02

http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-quer...act&Acronym=LD

Giancarlo · July 24, 2003, 00:08

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Originally posted by I Am Jeff
I did not read all of what is here, so forgive me if I repeat, but the news said that it looks like at least one of them commited suicide. A shot through the mouth coming out the other side.

Just like Hitler.

The Mad Monk · July 24, 2003, 00:52

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Originally posted by DarthVeda
http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-quer...act&Acronym=LD

Of course!

LASER DRAGOONS!!!