July 25, 2003, 22:21
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The formal names of the Celts and Ottomans
I think the formal names for those two civs should be different. I think that for the Ottomans the formal should be 'the Ottoman Empire'. Right now it's just 'Ottomans' I think. Which sounds more accurate: We have planted a spy in 'Ottomans' or We have planted a spy in 'the Ottoman Empire'?
And for the Celts, the formal is 'Celts'. Which is more accurate, We have invaded 'Celts' or We have invaded 'the Celts'?
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July 25, 2003, 23:58
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hmm. I never noticed that before. Assuming that changing them wouldn't mess up something else I think you're right and they should be changed.
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July 26, 2003, 00:43
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I agree. keeping it as Ottomans just makes me think about furniture. OTOH, in my games, if I'm not the Otts, they can hardly be called an empire.  I can't leave them for long with that kick ass unit of theirs.
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July 26, 2003, 05:14
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In the histories I keep of my games, I've taken to calling the Ottoman lands "Turkey". Yes, I know it's not entirely accurate, but it's less typing than "the Ottoman Empire" (which, btw, I do use sometimes, pretty much interchangeably). Celtland never has had the same ring, but the best I've come up with is Gaul. Again, not entirely accurate, but it gets the job done.
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July 26, 2003, 11:25
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You can say the same for others as well. The Roman Empire, The Aztec Empire, etc... Merely semantics.
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July 26, 2003, 12:21
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I never really thought about the aztecs. But you can just call it Rome.
The problem with calling it Gaul is there is the Gaul tribe of barbarians. I think I'll just call them the Celts.
What would you guys do about the Aztecs? Just call them 'the Aztecs'?
I don't think they're just semantics, I think it is important.
Calling it Turkey would be accurate, they sometimes referred to the Ottoman Empire as Turkey even before it was Turkey.
And BTW, why isn't the Ottoman UU the janissary?
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July 26, 2003, 12:30
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I will also call the Iroquois 'the Iroquois Nation'.
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July 26, 2003, 12:37
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Originally posted by johncmcleod
I will also call the Iroquois 'the Iroquois Nation'.
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I was going to include that in my example to! "We have planted a spy in Iroquois" is right up there with "Ottomans". The only real difference with Rome is that it is an actual city. If their was a city named Ottoman or Iroquois it would make more sense. Just name your capital Ottomans and your all set.
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July 26, 2003, 12:46
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How about calling the formal 'the Celtic lands'? It makes more sense than any other name and is more accurate than Celtland. We have planted a spy in the Celtic lands. We have invaded the Celtic lands. Doesn't sound great, but it's the best we've got.
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July 26, 2003, 18:43
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Well the Aztec country, can be called “Aztlan.” That’s what I do. 
The Ottoman’s home, I call, “Türkiye.”
The Celtic nation, I name “Gaul”
The Iroquois actually call themselves the “Haudenosaunee” meaning "people of the long house." The Iroqu name is actually an insult, meaning “rattlesnakes.” As for their country, it could be “The League”, or “The League of Five Nations”, or “The League of Six Nations.”
Does anybody know what the Romans, called themselves in LATIN???
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July 27, 2003, 14:29
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I beleive the latin name for Romans would be Romani. Though I may be wrong, I took Latin II more than a year ago.
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July 27, 2003, 16:38
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What really pisses me off more than the inaccurate names of the countries is the mispellings of some city names. (For the Ottomans, it's "Edirne", not "Edrine"). Civ always gives the old Greek spellings for some cities, but not for all in the Ottomans. It calls Antakya (Turkish) as "Antioch"(Greek), but it doesn't call Kayseri (Turkish) as "Caesaria". I think they should fix this (switch all either into Turkish or Greek) to prevent the transliterative discrepency.
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July 27, 2003, 16:41
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The really wierd one is "Mongols". Why not simply "Mongolia"?
I made a mod that had "Mongolia", "Celtia", "Turkey", "The Iroquois League", "The Aztec Empire".
"Aztlan" isn't good in my opinion - it's the Aztecs (supposed) original homeland, not their later empire. "Mexico" would be another alternative, refering, of course, not to the modern republic, but to the Valley of Mexico, which was the core of the Aztecs' empire.
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