Need a 'hands on' guide to networking. - Page 2

Sirotnikov · July 27, 2003, 19:01

1. I want to know how to fiddle with the settings, before it gets "critical"

2. panag, it's not my dad's coputer. my dad hasn't got one. There's mine which is at home. My brother has 2 and may have more later. I was directed to find a way to connect them, and implement.

3. I was also directed to learn about more advanced things, since my brother plans to make a story wide network with his neighbours.

4. Ecth - everyone has a first time

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panag, I bet he coudln't just get his dads HD off, so he just networks so he can share all his .. donkey comics

I already share all of my ... donkey comics and smut files and mp3s and ebooks and warez using kazaa, and emule.

Sirotnikov · July 27, 2003, 19:05

no usb II hubs

Ecthy · July 27, 2003, 19:09

usb is expensive as hell, especially if the distance of the cable is supposed to exceed like 10m or so

Panag · July 27, 2003, 19:11

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Originally posted by Sirotnikov
no usb II hubs

hi ,

use usb I then , its the cheapest solution , only drawback , 8 meters , .....

drill a hole strait true the rooms wall in order to save cable length , ....

its by far the cheapest solution , .....

and if you dont have two usb's , one or two , .... try looking for older comps people trow away at various locations , .....

have a nice morning

asleepathewheel · July 27, 2003, 19:14

Drill a hole?

if the computers are in different rooms, you might be better off just making a wireless network. No cables strung all over the place then. If the computers are all in the same room, then cables are probably ok. I'll be setting up a wireless network in my new townhouse in a month or so, can't wait.

reds4ever · July 27, 2003, 19:16

Siro, tell your Bro to think VERY carefully about #3, if theres a lot of nodes (users) esp non-tech types it could be a real pain in the arse

edit: WILL be a real pain in the arse

Ecthy · July 27, 2003, 19:17

I second that, plus it's damned expensive

Panag · July 27, 2003, 19:18

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Originally posted by asleepathewheel
Drill a hole?

if the computers are in different rooms, you might be better off just making a wireless network. No cables strung all over the place then. If the computers are all in the same room, then cables are probably ok. I'll be setting up a wireless network in my new townhouse in a month or so, can't wait.

hi ,

bluetooth is expensive , its good , but he needs the bucks , .....

so one single USB cable shall be better , ....

on top of that , if you know one or two things about wireless , .... then as a security and speed issue you shall not want to have wireless , .....

either USB or firewire , .....

have a nice day

asleepathewheel · July 27, 2003, 19:23

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Originally posted by panag

hi ,

bluetooth is expensive , its good , but he needs the bucks , .....

so one single USB cable shall be better , ....

on top of that , if you know one or two things about wireless , .... then as a security and speed issue you shall not want to have wireless , .....

either USB or firewire , .....

have a nice day

expense is relative, but that is a factor. I just hate the idea of cables everywhere. I have to live like that currently, and its a real pain.

Security isn't so much a factor, unless you're living next door to thieves. And even then, if you do it correctly you shouldn't have to worry.

Speed problems? I haven't experienced any speed problems with my wireless cards, they are on par with my cable modem, but I suppose there could be some problems using inferior outdated equipment.

Panag · July 27, 2003, 19:27

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Originally posted by asleepathewheel

expense is relative, but that is a factor. I just hate the idea of cables everywhere. I have to live like that currently, and its a real pain.

Security isn't so much a factor, unless you're living next door to thieves. And even then, if you do it correctly you shouldn't have to worry.

Speed problems? I haven't experienced any speed problems with my wireless cards, they are on par with my cable modem, but I suppose there could be some problems using inferior outdated equipment.

hi ,

do you have any idea of what certain things cost on the other side of the ocean , .....

and yes security is a huge issue , especially since a couple good comp papers posted some articles about it and shown on national television how easy it was to break in , .... or even surf for free on some-one else's account , .....

wireless is limited to what it sends out , .... regardless of it being hooked up to "X"dsl or cable or sat , ......

so ones again usb or firewire comes out as the best deal for money , ......

have a nice day

asleepathewheel · July 27, 2003, 19:33

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Originally posted by panag
hi ,

do you have any idea of what certain things cost on the other side of the ocean , .....

No I don't

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Originally posted by panag
and yes security is a huge issue , especially since a couple good comp papers posted some articles about it and shown on national television how easy it was to break in , .... or even surf for free on some-one else's account , .....

The chances of someone doing that to a home network is quite slim. Unless you are unlucky and live in a hacking neighborhood, if your neighbors are like mine, they are illiterate (computer-wise) idiots. Furthermore, I haven't said one word to any of my neighbors, so unless you are particularly chatty and friendly, how would they know? And would someone come off the streets and surf in your hallway?

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Originally posted by panag
wireless is limited to what it sends out , .... regardless of it being hooked up to "X"dsl or cable or sat , ......

...ok...

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Originally posted by panag
so ones again usb or firewire comes out as the best deal for money , ......

possibly yes possibly no. Wires are so 1990 Panag.

reds4ever · July 27, 2003, 19:33

I think wireless is worth the cost/speed trade off if your linking a laptop to a desktop, I mean the whole point of the laptop is freedom, other than that I'll drill holes/save money/have a faster, more secure network ;O)

reds4ever · July 27, 2003, 19:36

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Originally posted by asleepathewheel

Wires are so 1990 Panag.

Have you developed a new method for distributing electricity over there that youre not telling us about?

Ecthy · July 27, 2003, 19:42

I think he's talking wireless LAN rather than wireless electricity

asleepathewheel · July 27, 2003, 19:43

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Originally posted by reds4ever
Have you developed a new method for distributing electricity over there that youre not telling us about?

patent pending, so I can't talk about it right now

reds4ever · July 27, 2003, 19:49

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Originally posted by Ecthelion
I think he's talking wireless LAN rather than wireless electricity

Thats what the wink was for!

Cruddy · July 27, 2003, 20:37

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Originally posted by panag

hi ,

do you have any idea of what certain things cost on the other side of the ocean , .....

Really? I could get 2 network cards and a cable for less than £5 - it costs maybe £8 for a USB2 cable.

Have I been ripped off?

You're right, it's less hassle - assuming both machine have the same USB and the same OS.

Never tried runnings machines withi different OS?

That's when you go the old Client/Server route, and to be honest, I'm SCARED TO GO THERE...

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Originally posted by panag
so ones again usb or firewire comes out as the best deal for money , ......

have a nice day

What are the chances of both machines have a Firewire card? And the cost of the cable?

Panag, I think you know Israeli market conditions a lot better than I could.

It just seems strange that network cards and cables cost more than 1 USB2 cable, that's all.

reds4ever · July 27, 2003, 20:49

I think Panag was refering to the cost of wireless networking?

Skanky Burns · July 27, 2003, 20:52

Personally, I would go for ethernet hub and straight-through cables. Otherwise when the network expands, you would be throwing other bits away (like a crossover cable, or a usb cable), while still buying the hub eventually.

reds4ever · July 27, 2003, 21:28

But Skanky, would you be responsible for setting up (and more to the point, maintaining) a network in your apt building in the first place?

IMO Siro's brother is letting himself in for a whole lot of sh!t

Skanky Burns · July 27, 2003, 22:19

No way in hell! Unless they were paying me, anyway.

Panag · July 27, 2003, 22:49

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Originally posted by asleepathewheel

No I don't

The chances of someone doing that to a home network is quite slim. Unless you are unlucky and live in a hacking neighborhood, if your neighbors are like mine, they are illiterate (computer-wise) idiots. Furthermore, I haven't said one word to any of my neighbors, so unless you are particularly chatty and friendly, how would they know? And would someone come off the streets and surf in your hallway?

...ok...

possibly yes possibly no. Wires are so 1990 Panag.

hi ,

wires might be "1990" , they are still rock solid when it comes to security compared to radio waves , with the exception of bluetooth , but bluetooth is so expensive , ....

how easy is it to break in , well just spend 200 bucks and a good laptop , go around and scan the airwaves , ....

from denmark to russia , from the industrial areas of chicago to the backstreets of mexico city , ..... you always find wireless without security , ......

from airport X to train on line Y you find them , ......

the software needed to stop any unwanted sneakers is to costly for an individual , ......

and then there is the issue of speed , .......

not to mention that if you have armed concrete , and that you see a lot in Israel you get certain problems with walls , etc , .....

seen a guy ones in Haifa messing up an entire building with his waves , the people just could not watch the TV when he went online , ......

the case of USB I OR USB II or firewire are therefore rapidly made , ......

have a nice fresh new week

Panag · July 27, 2003, 22:50

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Originally posted by reds4ever
I think Panag was refering to the cost of wireless networking?

hi ,

the cost is greater then a simple 8 meter USB cable and two new USB ports , .....

have a nice day

reds4ever · July 27, 2003, 22:57

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Originally posted by panag

hi ,

the cost is greater then a simple 8 meter USB cable and two new USB ports , .....

have a nice day

so we're agreed arn't we?

have whatever type of day you'd like

Panag · July 27, 2003, 23:39

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Originally posted by reds4ever

so we're agreed arn't we?

have whatever type of day you'd like

hi ,

more or the less , ....

Cruddy ;

"It just seems strange that network cards and cables cost more than 1 USB2 cable, that's all."

does it really seem strange that you can pick up for a few bucks an 8 meter USB cable , .......

have a nice day

Sirotnikov · July 28, 2003, 19:28

#3 isn't THAT big. only 4 people.

And wireless things are still Illegal in Israel, since the ministry of defense and the IDF haven't finished the move from the specified ranges of technologies like bluetooth.