Vendetta - Under construction!

[fairline]

OT: sorry for wandering off the plot Curt, but I was wondering what happened to Danny Evilcat? He posted those excellent WW2 infantry at Civ Fan and then disappeared.

[curtsibling]

Danny still posts now and then in CFC, I seen him on the Off Topic a day or two ago...

Although I have been banned for a week, so I won't be in CFC much either!

[Palaiologos]

I only visit CFC to download stuff.

Why were you banned Curt?

[fairline]

Originally posted by curtsibling
Danny still posts now and then in CFC, I seen him on the Off Topic a day or two ago...

Although I have been banned for a week, so I won't be in CFC much either!

From the little I've seen of the forums at CFC, I thought you were a leading light. You just don't seem the type to get banned anywhere Shame on you Curt

[curtsibling]

I started a thread about aggressive evangelists in Cleveland, USA,
In it I made a joke about a 'holy blitzkireg', then I posted an image of some WW2 German grenadiers...

It didn’t tickle the moderator’s funny bone much!

That's what happens when you try to be funny!

[Palaiologos]

I must admit that i didn't understand anything.

What are aggresive evangelists?

I think that plain evangelists are some branch of the catholic heathen.


And what was wrong with those panzergrenadiers?

[curtsibling]

@Fairline:
I can be a renegade sometimes!

@Pericles:
Basically I made a joke about the combatative attitude of these preachers in the US, and posted an image of some WW2 troops to further the jest...

But they didn't find it funny!

[fairline]

ROTFL Some people have no sense of humour. I must have a look at that thread. Er, I mean, shame on you

[curtsibling]

Here is the data on the Eternal Reich...

THE ETERNAL REICH: Playable
Leader: Führer Ernst Barkmann
Capital City: Germania
Government Type: Hegemonious Dictatorship (CIV2 communism)
Economy Level: Vast looting of Europe, repression and bad Management has led to many problems
Military Power: Superpower. Emphasis on traditional powerful German armour and aircraft types

Brief History:
After the German victories in Russia (1941-43) and the failed Allied invasions (1944-45),
Hitler swung his forces back on a full scale attack on the Western Allies and succeeded in
humbling British resistance. The Americans withdrew from Africa after some spirited defence.
The UK signed a humiliating armistice and heavily sanctioned peace, under Berlin's control.
At this, the USA continued a half-hearted campaign in the Atlantic, until the coup d'etat in
Washington by renegade officers. This derailed the Allied war effort as chaos consumed the US.
With the foundation the UFA, an immediate end came to the war in Europe.

On the Eastern Front, Stalin's death had led to his able successors armies pulling back and then
regrouping in areas far beyond the normal reach of the Reich, this was the basis of the Red Empire.
Finding itself in charge of a huge empire, Germany has not made good the damage done to Europe
in WW2, instead upgrading and fortifying what was deemed essential with typical German pragmatism.
Hitler died in 1951, succeeded by Speer, with the ever-loyal Himmler in charge of reshaping the new
German nation into a super-efficient war-machine for the future, with almost total SS control.
The hideous excesses of the Nazi 'old guard' were toned down, as the new leadership cynically
realised the need for masses of manpower to man the factories and building projects.
Thus, the Holocaust was never carried out to it's most terrible conclusion.

Speer made his tenure famous as he commissioned many grand new projects, including a massive
new hall of the German Eternal Reich, the most staggering building of the 'new Germany'...
With the death of Speer (1966) and Himmler (1973), the Reich council appointed the new Führer.
The ex-SS panzer ace and WW2 hero, Ernst Barkmann was to lead the Eternal Reich from 1974 onwards.
A no-nonsense military veteran and adored by the military, Barkmann was able to keep the enemies
of Germany in check during the 1970's with deft diplomacy and sound strategic choices. He also
was responsible for various defence accords with Germany's main rivals, the UFA and the Red Empire.
How long this situation will hold for is now a hotly debated subject in Germania.

[curtsibling]

Here is the data on the UFA...

THE UNITED FEDERATION OF AMERICA: Playable
Leader: General Oliver North
Capital City: Dallas
Government Type: Federal Dictatorship (CIV2 communism)
Economy Level: Capitalism, coupled with autocratic control has stifled development
Military Power: Superpower. Emphasis on naval task forces and highly mobile infantry

Brief History:
With the failure of the D-Day and atom bomb attacks, FDR's death and the military coup of 1944,
central authority in the USA was torn apart in a new civil war. The factions of the military command
versus those loyal to the old order were engaged in a struggle that spread from the East US coast and
then throughout the country. With the military holding the weapons, and an outraged populace, this new
civil war was not going to be a long, protracted affair. US Forces from around the world withdrew and made
their way back to America to side with a faction, some generals decided to go AWOL, rebel or independent.

State versus state and city-to-city the military clamped down on the 'corruption' of the old US system.
After months of fighting and mayhem, the military had achieved complete control of the country.
In a spectacular series of show trials, the generals, led by MacArthur and other notables, duly had all
opposition eliminated and disbanded the old US order. In it's place was instituted the Federal Bill and
the Loyalty Act, two documents cementing all control to ruthless military junta of the new reborn UFA.

The first act of the new government was to sign an armistice with Germany and Japan, both countries
were not seen as a threat to the new order of America. The council of generals was headed by McArthur
until his death (1954) being replaced by Patton. Under the able rule of Patton and Arnold, the UFA kept
itself focussed on small wars, such as in South America and in Korea, helping the Pacific Alliance crush
dissent. In 1961, with the growing iciness between the general council and the British-dominated Canadian
government, the UFA decided the assure it's Northern borders with an annexation of Canada. The campaign
was marked by the near-destruction of Toronto and the Assassination of Winston Churchill by UFA Loyalty
troops. But victory eventually belonged to the able UFA forces and the now ageing Patton.

With the death of Patton (1963) his successor, Kinnard was noted for his series of wars with Africa and
the conquering of Cuba and Mexico. Kinnard was an advocate of war with the Eternal Reich, a battle
that was not savoured by the UFA council, such dissents led to Kinnard's departure in 1974. A new general
was appointed in 1975, amid media coverage of the alleged Masonic and occult practices of the UFA high
council. General Westmoreland's short-lived reign was marked by a military disaster in Cambodia and
media smear stories concerning the UFA's secret activities. Westmoreland and many others stepped down
in 1978, making way for a new generation of younger officers with progressive ideas about the UFA.

Since 1979, the dynamic rule of General Oliver North has inspired new confidence in the United Federation.
His actions of subduing dissent in Canada, South-East Asia and on the homefront are a great indicator of
an able and no-nonsense ruler, one that the UFA is in need of after years of wasteful mis-direction.
North is also feted for not bowing to demands the formidable Führer Barkmann of Germania. At the
abortive UFA-Reich arms summit in June 1979, North won American acclaim for snubbing the Reich
leaders and reminding them of the UFA's readiness for war, at any time and place.
How this attitude will affect the fortunes of America will remain to be seen...

[fairline]

Originally posted by curtsibling
Here is the data on the UFA...

THE UNITED FEDERATION OF AMERICA: Playable
Leader: General Oliver North
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I wonder, would that be better or worse than Dubya?

[curtsibling]

Yep, I thought he would make an interesting leader in an alternate world.

I'll be posting the essential info on the minor civs soon.
(Red Empire, PAC, AF and PA)

[Cifer Almasy]

nice nice nice!!! cant wait for a first file...

[Art of War]

yeah, when I saw Oliver North "Oh good God..." escaped me lips...he's going to put the UFA right down the drain...

oh, Curt, is the UFA's society much like the USA's? Is there free press? I thought it was more of a multi-dictatorship..

[Rebellion]

Make Soviet as a nazi puppet state.

[curtsibling]

@Art of War:

The UFA society is ruled by a system of 'Heinleinism', in which the military is all.
High citizenship is attained through civic loyalty and service in the UFA forces.

It is like a dark mirror image of the real USA...
A grim giant, ruled by a cadre of military elites.

Free speech costs lives, and the press exists to glorify the UFA...(you have given me a good idea for a city improvement!)

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Rebellion
Make Soviet as a nazi puppet state.

Sorry, citizen!

I cannot comply with that request!

The Red Empire endlessly seeks to kill the Eternal Reich!

[Panda]

How can you differentiate between those two government types based on a single civ2 government type? Won't they share the same label?

[curtsibling]

Yep, they will both be 'dictatorship' (commie) in CIV2 terms.

The other terms I used were for the description only.

[curtsibling]

Here are the nation flags...

[EZRhino]

I like your back story curt How exactly did Germany win the Eastern Front? Did they beat the allies to the atomic age?

[Art of War]

man i'm excited about this .scn....how much longer, curt? how much longer?

[fairline]

Originally posted by curtsibling
It is like a dark mirror image of the real USA...
A grim giant, ruled by a cadre of military elites.

If I make a comment here I'll get banned

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by EZRhino
I like your back story curt How exactly did Germany win the Eastern Front? Did they beat the allies to the atomic age?

The details are not important for gameplay purposes.

We can just assume that Germany perhaps done some things differently.

Like the Barbarossa operation being launched in spring 1941, this would have made a big difference.

With the capture of Moscow or Leningrad, the following Citadel operation (Caucus) may well have went according to plan.

This resulted in a nasty situation for the Allies.
The US still was the first to use the atom bomb.
The Allies tried to use the atom bomb on Paris in 1945, but the B-29 was shot down by Fw190s.

Germany did not get it's own prototype atom bomb until 1949.

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by fairline


If I make a comment here I'll get banned

LOL!
Rummy and Dubby would seem like pacifists compared to the UFA!

[curtsibling]

To give a taste of things to come, here is a little screen shot from the current look of things...

Reich Air Force in full effect!

[curtsibling]

Steel eagles of the UFA!

[curtsibling]

LOL! Here is the new 'civ of the week', the Red Empire!

THE RED EMPIRE:
Leader: Kommissar Varennikov
Capital City: Zhukovgrad
Government Type: Autocratic Insurgent Republic (CIV2 republic)
Economy Level: Semi-Communist system. Lacks any real cohesion to be called a true economy.
Military Power: Terrorist Organisation. But can sometimes muster up traditional Russian attacks, posing a real threat.

Brief History:
After the disastrous fall of Moscow (1941) Leningrad (1942) and the Caucus (1942-43), the game seemed
up for Stalin's Soviet Union. In a series of rearguard battles, the Red Army succeeded in a fighting retreat
towards the Urals. It was while holding out in the city of Perm that Josef Stalin was killed (1944) during an
air strike by Luftwaffe. This caused a rapid change in Soviet fortunes. Zhukov Immediately ordered all NKVD
in his command removed, shot or imprisoned, while declaring himself the new Russian leader and denouncing
the Soviet apparatchiks. At the city of Magnitogorsk, Zhukov made his famous rallying speech to a spellbound
army of refugees and soldiers. "This was the fault of Stalin and Beria that we stand in wastelands."

Thus was proclaimed the new state of the mother nation, a new Russian capital was set up at the city of Irkutsk.
The main staging base was to be Tobolsk, with terror attacks being launched on the Third Reich, throughout 1945-46.
Hitler's Reich had no intention just then of playing chase with the Soviets into a barren land, such an effort
would be impossible to supply and re-arm, as the Typhoon campaign of 1941-42 had shown the inherent difficulties.
So the Third Reich was happy to let the Soviets retreat into the deep North and East. The Reich was occupied in
the West now by the renewed campaign against the UK and the US Navy. Stalin was dead, and the Russians subdued.

In 1948, Hitler ordered the now vanquished Urals to be dotted with forts and the general creation of an 'Ostfront'
defence and air cover network. But SS-commanders were not having an easy time keeping the vast area under control.
Still periodic attacks were carried out by desperate groups of Red Army and a new foe, whom were becoming known as
the 'Sons of the Bear', these men were to be later known more infamously, as the Red Empire.

The Red Empire was funded and helped by many factions in the Middle East, India and various secret GEU states.
It grew during the 1950's under Zhukov's genius control to be the most dangerous terror organisation in the world.
Zhukov spent many years running an effective terror campaign from the inhospitable cities of the old Soviet East,
until Führer Albert Speer recognised the Red Empire and ceded peace terms (1962). The next ten years were spent
in clashes with the remains of the Japanese forces and the rising Pacific Alliance. The UFA would agree to some
contacts with Zhukov's organisation, but refused to recognise it as a legit nation, a snub which stung Zhukov
and made him belligerent to the Americans until his death.

Since the death of Zhukov (1973) his great work of winning back European Russia has been handed to his able
and brilliant protégé, Colonel Varennikov. He has taken the Red Empire back on a winning streak against it's
foes and won much backing and funds from the friends of the Russians. Like Zhukov, Varennikov has also shifted
away from the old-style communist thinking, in favour of progressive control and pragmatic economic choices.
Without the monetary lifeblood from backers and the vital research and Development carried out in the city of
Vladisvosotk, Kommissar Varennikov's army and air force would be in dire trouble.

The Red Empire seeks a legitimate place among the major nations, not vengeance. As it is, the Red Empire has
been conceptualising many new weapons in the last decade, with a frequently professed agenda for defence and peace.
But many Reich officers murmur that such Russian designs have one purpose: to win back some long-lost territory.

What the new decade hold for the tumultuous Red Empire, is really all in the hands of one man...Varennikov.

[tanelorn]

Great, I am astonished, to say the least.

What if the Reich came up with a new exotic weapon to traverse the difficult terrain of Siberia, and perform counter-insurgency missions?
Submitting prototype Pzkpf "Valkyrie" robotic warfare module plans for inspection:

[Art of War]

that's an awesome unit, tanelorn, but if ppl keep submitting units, then he'll never get finished, and I'll die from waiting....