The Crusades

October 16, 1999, 21:27

Which is the best Crusades scenario out there?

St Leo · October 16, 1999, 22:15

There's pretty much nothing to make a scenario about when it comes to the Crusades. Overall, they were just a very small thorn in the side of the Islamic world.

Here's the only possible thing one can make a scenario about when it comes to the crusades - the reconquest of Constantinople by the Greeks after the imbecile crusaders conquered it. There are a lot of factions one can use(Serbia, Epirus, Nicaea, Trebizond, Latins, Bulgaria, Duchy of Athens, Venice, and the Turks) and there was a lot of heavy fighting.

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October 16, 1999, 22:31

There was a crusades scenario with the Conflicts in Civilization addon

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Stefan Härtel · October 17, 1999, 07:18

Mine isn't-although it was very popular in the community of the largest german civ2 site, where it was a scenario of the month-my first and only one!
The site's now offline.

St Leo · October 17, 1999, 22:01

What do you guys think of my suggested topic?:-)

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Michael Daumen · October 18, 1999, 00:53

While Leo is right, revisiting history is the fun of historical scenarios. What if the invaders had made more headway? I think there is a need for a good crusades scenario. The hard part would be how to represent the European powers back home while preventing them from fighting there.

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mrtemba · October 18, 1999, 00:58

good crusades scenario? i've never played one.

October 18, 1999, 11:53

Pretty impressive sounding, Leo

ottok · October 19, 1999, 16:45

I KNOW WHAT CRUSADERS IT, BUT WHAT THEY DO 1000... IN 1000 BC!!

AT THERE TWO CHRISTUS?!

ONE SCANERIO TAKES FUTURE TO TIMEBACK???

OOH MIKSI, OOOBS WHY?

St Leo · October 19, 1999, 19:48

No offense, but was that English?:-)

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ottok · October 22, 1999, 11:49

rats with my ---- english!!!!!!
it writting with inspiration or with head...
understand?

October 22, 1999, 22:01

I got it. Kinda. I think that the point of Otto's post was to make a Crusades scenario in 1000 BC, instead of 1000 AD.

Keep trying! Your english is better than my finnish...

mrtemba · October 23, 1999, 00:48

no

Stefan Härtel · March 21, 2004, 11:10

(Sorry-last thread I'm gonna bump for today, but I had to share it with you!)

Gagliaudo · March 22, 2004, 19:31

Hello, all you guys

I remember some (just a few...

) scenarios directly or farly connected with Crusades (I won't tell about Civ2 CD crusades one...)

1.Cross & Crescent (BeBro) - 955 -1291
2.Outremer (don't remember) - ab. 1187-1200
3.Komnenai (M Czew - Heresson?) (ab.1080-1200)
4.Age of Alexius (Masis Panos?) (ab.1080-1120)
5.Death&Resurrection of an Empire (Mathias Koster)-(1204-1453)
6.Fading Lights (Heresson) - Palaiologos dinasty (ab.1260-1453)
7.The Great Crusades
8.Holy Wars (David Morovan)
9.Four Sea Republic (Paul Hanti) 1000-1500 (...)
10.Empire of Thessalonike JUST RELEASED (Varwnos)- hist/fict
11."SchwerterChristi": german-language hist/fict scen,mostly based on KnightOrders at the age of 6th crusade (I remember there was a crazy giga Cyprus island...)

I'm sure I forget someone, and I apologize just now.
I have reported this scenarios, all that I remember NOW, but I don't say about them, if good or bad. You can test and taste!

Ehm: I'm waiting for old scenario called "MAMLUK", (by Heresson, if I remember...). I imagine it has some connection with the last crusades (LouisIX and then the fall of Acri,ab 1248-1291).

Btw: in my improbable scenario projects (1000ideas,0facts...)

,I have something about Crusades (I like MiddleAge).

Have a good time you all!
Gagliaudo

Palaiologos · March 22, 2004, 20:08

Dude that request for a crusaders scenario was made five years ago. Stephan haertel simply bumped this thread out of nostalgia.

Better late than never i suppose.

Gagliaudo · March 23, 2004, 12:38

...mhhh,

Stefan made a really good joke, even if he didn't think about it ...

and yesterday night it was too late for me to read exactly when this thread born...

Well, next time I'll put more attention...

However I'm really searching for MAMLUK scenario!!!

If somebody knows the autor, I'd like call him for see his work... Just now I'm remembering he may be Heresson... I'll try to call for him...

Ahem... Stephan:
sorry, in yesterday's list... I forgot YOUR crusade scenario!!!

Well, it was destiny...

(btw : The Great Crusades was by Joel André)

That's all folks!
Maybe is better this thread back in the past (if nobody's thinking to do something about crusade... Don't now, maybe a FICT scenario with medieval graphic-units-techs but in today's world... Sometimes there're great men - in ALL the world - that speak about a "new crusade" against evil and so on...

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Heresson · March 30, 2004, 03:56

Outremer was made by me, as well as Komnenai.
Well, Mamluk scn is finished, I need to play it through the final time. there are some things I'd like to change, as the Romans (Byzantines) are generally too strong, but I have no event space for that. The Latins are perhaps too strong as well, but it makes the game more interesting I guess. But remember, the only playable civ are the Mamluks (Egyptians). Haven't tried to play other and I don't think one should try. I focused on Egypt completely. The scenario starts exactly when Louis was defeated and soon left the Middle East, so except not so good unit based on a medieval drawing of him, and a text indicating his death, there is not much of him in the scenario. However, I think I may do a re-make of Outremer this year.

Varwnos · April 3, 2004, 23:23

I think that a more fun fictional scenario would be one replacing the ottoman empire with a new byzantine empire, many opportunities for such a replacement, like late 15th century, 16th century, and generally up to the napoleonic wars

Gagliado: i was happily suprised that my scen was mentioned (although it ultimately isnt very playable) but i would like to note that it IS historical, the empire of Thessalonike was a real empire, formed when the despotate of Epiros conquered/liberated Thessalonike. It is referred to by that name, i am not sure if it was called that at the time as well though

(it only existed for three decades, or even less than that anyway).

The eternal problem with byz scenarios is that due to the generally small size of the balcan peninsula (not a lot bigger than 1 1/2 times france i think) it is hard to have them in a map of the entire europe, without being forced to have the byzantines have just a few cities in Greece, or crowding everything, also generally the bigger scale map isnt rellevant, unless it is set in a previous age (Heraclius i guess will be like that).

ps: Heresson, i am still waiting for your negative comments on my scen

oh well perhaps my third scen will be better, i mean the improvement from the first to the second one was massive! (then again that was mostly due to the abysmal first scen heh)

(sorry for going a bit off-topic!)

edit: so as to finish on topic: what about a hypothetical byzantine-chinese pact? there was a scen where both civs were in play. infact it was a rather nice scen, although i dont remember playing it much, the map ruled anyway