If I live to 100, may I never see something like this.

[Boris Godunov]

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/21...board_T-.shtml

Refusing help, woman gives birth aboard T

By C. Kalimah Redd and Mac Daniel, Globe Correspondent and Globe Staff, 7/31/2003

A 42-year-old Braintree woman gave birth to a baby boy while standing on an inbound Red Line train yesterday morning, refusing help from stunned passengers who heard her moan and seconds later looked down to find her baby on the floor.

Witnesses told police that Joyce M. Judge, a former nurse who later said she was on the way to a Boston hospital, kept quietly refusing help during and after the delivery.

'' `Thanks for your concern, we're OK,' '' she said, according to Chris Chin of Duxbury. Standing 4 feet away from Judge, Chin said, he saw her tie the umbilical cord in a knot and wrap the baby in a silk scarf. ''She cradled the baby in one arm and grabbed the handrail with the other and continued to ride the T and stare out the window.''

Bill Mahoney, also of Duxbury, watched the scene unfold: ''It was simply surreal.''

Transit officials said they received a call from the train operator for medical assistance and had an MBTA official waiting at the JFK-UMass station on the platform when the train arrived. But Judge refused help and sprinted up a flight of stairs toward the turnstiles, MBTA Lieutenant Gary Fredericks said. She then grabbed some newspaper to wrap up the baby, ran across the platform toward Morrissey Boulevard, and hustled up another flight of stairs to the Columbia Road overpass.

MBTA police intercepted her and took the baby boy, who was breathing and kicking but not crying. As two officers examined the baby in the front seat of a police SUV, Fredericks said, Judge pounded on their backs and screamed: ''Let me see!''

Mother and child were doing fine yesterday at Boston Medical Center, authorities said. Officials from the state Department of Social Services are investigating.

Clutching the faded pink and beige silk scarf, Judge sat in her hospital bed and told a reporter how she woke up at about 5:15 a.m. yesterday and began vomiting. She decided to go to St. Elizabeth's Hospital in Brighton and left her two other children, ages 15 and 11, at the Motel 6 in Braintree, where the family has been living for the past year.

But once she was on the train in North Quincy, she felt the baby coming. ''It wasn't too painful, it happened so fast,'' Judge said. ''The contractions were from 1 to 2 minutes apart. I said, `Let me get off this train.' ''

People, she said, started screaming. When asked why she refused help from other passengers, Judge said: ''They couldn't do anything on the train so I thought it was better to get to the hospital.''

Passengers, many of whom responded to a Boston.com announcement seeking witnesses and were then contacted by phone, said they were startled by the chain of events.

After the train left North Quincy, while crossing the Neponset River around 7:20 a.m., passengers reported hearing a muffled groan. Judge, dressed in a pink velour top and matching skirt, stood in the middle of the fourth car. Suddenly, her water broke.

''At first I thought someone spilled coffee, but it kept dripping,'' said Chin, 32. ''But she stood staring out the window . . . I started doubting what I saw.''

About 90 seconds later, Chin said, ''I saw a head, then full baby fall out from her skirt, hit the floor sideways and slide the length of the doorway, stopping when he bumped up against the next row of seats. Still she stared out the window. Either she didn't know it happened or didn't want to acknowledge it.''

Judge bent down, picked up the baby and wrapped it in her scarf, Chin said.

As passengers slowly realized what had happened, witnesses said, the train rallied around the new mother. People offered sweaters and implored her to sit or lie down. Still, Judge refused.

''I'm fine,'' she repeated throughout the trip. ''I'm fine.''

With the JFK-UMass stop still three minutes away, passengers, some of whom vomited in the wake of the bloody birth, inundated State Police with cell phone calls. Dispatchers told passengers to ask Judge if she had passed the placenta. Passengers yelled back that she had not. Dispatchers asked if the baby was breathing. Others yelled back that they weren't sure.

At one point, Judge took some nearby newspapers and placed them on the floor to soak up the blood. Some witnesses heard Judge apologize for the mess.

After leaving the train and heading for the stairs up to the station's main lobby, witnesses said, the placenta fell to the platform. Judge turned around, grabbed the afterbirth, put it in her shoulder bag, and headed upstairs.

''She just literally picked it up with her hand and put it in some kind of bag she was carrying, and this was in mid-stride . . . It was the craziest thing I've ever seen,'' said Robert Busby, of Weymouth.

Lisa Judge of Rhode Island, who visited her sister yesterday, said Joyce Judge didn't realize how dilated she was. ''She said she thought she could make it'' to the hospital, Lisa Judge said.

Lisa Judge said she has taken in her sister's children at times when she has had ''spells, she would turn inward and wouldn't talk to anybody.''

Marie Judge of Roxbury, said her daughter seemed stressed recently and admitted she was pregnant only when Marie Judge confronted her a month ago.

DSS, which has no record of any prior contact with the family, placed Judge's two other children in temporary custody yesterday. Denise Monteiro, a DSS spokeswoman, said the baby will not be released to Judge, who said she works for Boston Public Schools in food and nutritional services, unless the agency is convinced she can care for the child. The hospital is conducting a psychiatric evaluation of Judge, Monteiro said.

''We're trying to find out what prompted this behavior,'' she said. ''It makes us concerned about her and it makes us concerned about her baby.''

Michael Rosenwald and Farah Stockman of the Globe staff contributed to this report.

Okay...

WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?!?!?!?!?!

[reds4ever]

I feel sick!

[Sava]

stop asking that question bobo...

I used to ask it all the time, but it boils down to, "Stupid", being the all-purpose explanation.

[FrustratedPoet]

''I saw a head, then full baby fall out from her skirt, hit the floor sideways and slide the length of the doorway, stopping when he bumped up against the next row of seats. Still she stared out the window. Either she didn't know it happened or didn't want to acknowledge it.''

That can't have been good for the baby.

[Boris Godunov]

After leaving the train and heading for the stairs up to the station's main lobby, witnesses said, the placenta fell to the platform. Judge turned around, grabbed the afterbirth, put it in her shoulder bag, and headed upstairs.

*PUKE*

[The Mad Monk]

How about "shock", "disbelief", or "thinking it's a dream"?

[Zylka]

Another reason why women are sickly

This child should be denied citizenship as it was born on a train. Disgusting

[Ecthy]

it's not her fault there was a placenta

[reds4ever]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
it's not her fault there was a placenta

Probally tastes nicer than the crap they serve on trains over here

[Ecthy]

reds, please... :vomit:

[Az]

yum, placenta.

[Ecthy]

[Asher]

Hey, cool.

[Ecthy]

munch, munch.

what is it, whale?

[Japher]

I'm hungry

[st_swithin]

mmm...placenta a' tartar sauce and gay baby nuked whale...

[Ben Kenobi]

''She said she thought she could make it'' to the hospital, Lisa Judge said.

Sounds reasonable to me, but why didn't she take a cab?

Boris: Any other objections other than the fact that this is 'gross'?

[Ecthy]

well obiwan, she let the baby slide on the floor, pretty silly.

apart from that I have to agree, it's just gross and nothing else. she was just being a dissenter

[FrustratedPoet]

Originally posted by obiwan18
Boris: Any other objections other than the fact that this is 'gross'?

Her reported behaviour in the bit I quoted (4th post) is very objectionable to me.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by obiwan18
Boris: Any other objections other than the fact that this is 'gross'?

I think objections to her actions are self-evident. Why do you ask, I wonder?

[Ecthy]

FP, true, but apart from that? maybe she really didn't think it was the time.

After all they get pains long before birth, so maybe she thought it was just prenatal pains. and then it hapened, it might all be a damn accident.

and maybe, just maybe, she didn't want other people's help. that's her business not ours.

afterbirth is quite natural, and its very existence is not gross. you guys are just overly prude urbanized gits

[Ben Kenobi]

Edit:

Sorry Boris.

[Boris Godunov]

Yes, that was my entire intent. Nevermind that this woman behaved in such a bizarre manner throughout the whole ordeal, it was just to say having kids is gross, right.



Don't you have better things to do with your time?

[MattH]

God, you people are sick.

[Dis]

I don't understand what's wrong with her?

what did she do wrong?

[Sprayber]

This women has had two other kids for christ's sake. It's not like this is her first. The whole episode is suspicous to me since her mother stated that only recently she admitted that she was prengant. Something tells me that going to the hospital may not have been her destination. I don't care how introverted you are, I can't see how a person acts that way when you are in the middle of childbirth. Her whole behavior was odd.

[Richelieu]

That is one F***** up lady. Anti social or not, that's unforgivable.

[:) Smiley]

what do you know, an urban hillbilly

[alva]

quote:
Originally posted by Ecthelion
it's not her fault there was a placenta


Probally tastes nicer than the crap they serve on trains over here

reds, please... :vomit:

It's a very much looked after 'delicassy' , NO kidding..and no, don't look at me, not my thing.

[Inverse Icarus]

in the old country, a harvesting woman would plop down, squeeze out a baby, and put it in a shoulder sack until she was done for the day. none of this weeklong stay at a hospital bullsh*t.
-My Irish Grandpa