Which will come first? - Page 3

Dis · August 2, 2003, 02:37

Colin Powell will win before Hillary.

Obviously color comes before a woman will ever be president. The U.S. has a hostile attitude towards women for some reason. We are a sexist nation.

But I voted for non-christian. I still hold out hope for Lieberman

The Vagabond · August 2, 2003, 02:43

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Originally posted by Joseph
Only Kennedy and Clinton.

And both were such womanizers!

Al B. Sure! · August 2, 2003, 02:50

dont forget Teddy Roosevelt... even though he was only elected to the VP... (or did he serve a second term? I dont remember... what with McKinley getting killed so early in his second term, roosevelt may only have seemed like he was in office for a while)

and if Powell runs in 2008, i think he'll win... a moderate republican who has an amazing amount of experience and is a military man to boot (especially one from humble beginnings) and gets a lot of respect from even liberal democrats (though it may just be patronizing cause of his race)... hell, he'd probably win even without all the people voting for him cause he's Black.

The Vagabond · August 2, 2003, 02:54

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Originally posted by Albert Speer
and if Powell runs in 2008, i think he'll win... a moderate republican who has an amazing amount of experience and is a military man to boot (especially one from humble beginnings) and gets a lot of respect from even liberal democrats (though it may just be patronizing cause of his race)...

... and besides he has a decent experience in misleading the UN!

Al B. Sure! · August 2, 2003, 03:09

great! an all-american presidential prospect!

:) Smiley · August 2, 2003, 11:52

Check that, I just looked up the US Constitution, the requirements for citizenship never state that a citizen must be a human being. No amendment would be required for an artificial intelligence to run for the US presidency. It would have to be created on US soil and at least 35 years old, though. That would give each of the other groups 8 more elections to go before an AI created today could be eligible.

Boris Godunov · August 2, 2003, 12:12

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Originally posted by

Smiley
Check that, I just looked up the US Constitution, the requirements for citizenship never state that a citizen must be a human being. No amendment would be required for an artificial intelligence to run for the US presidency. It would have to be created on US soil and at least 35 years old, though. That would give each of the other groups 8 more elections to go before an AI created today could be eligible.

Uh, the 14th Ammendment specifically says:

"1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

"Person" can only refer to a human being. That's why animals and inanimate objects aren't considered U.S. citizens.

Article II:

"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States."

That specifically requires 1) a person and 2) they be "natural born," and you can bet that "natural born" will be interpreted to mean "not manufactured." An AI isn't "born," it's "made."

OliverFA · August 2, 2003, 12:31

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Smiley
For a country as diverse as it is, the USA has had a remarkably un-diverse leadership. We are on our 43rd President. What other nation do you know of to have such homogenous leadership in their past 43 leaders?

Most of them.

And going back to the list:

Likely:
1 - A Woman
2 - A non-white
...
Not likely:
3 - A non-Christian (a jew)
...
Never will happen:
Someone under the age of 40. If the candidate is a capable one, it takes some years to show, practice and polish all these leadership skills. If the candidate just uses influences, it takes some years to build them. I'm not saying who is who...

A third party candidate. To my understanding the candidates are quite independent. At least a lot more independent than in Europe, where someone has to make political career inside the party full-time. For a "third party candidate" it's easier to enter the primaries of one of the two big parties.

An Artifical Intelligence. Mainly because AIs don't exist...

Kidicious · August 2, 2003, 12:45

Hispanic is nonwhite right? You didn't specify. That's the one I choose.

Imran Siddiqui · August 2, 2003, 13:58

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Only Kennedy and Clinton.

Clinton was 46 when took office. That's not early 40s. Teddy Roosevelt you left out, btw

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:) Smiley · August 2, 2003, 15:45

He wasn't elected to his first term, he was a veep and the prez croaked.

Al B. Sure! · August 2, 2003, 16:19

croaked? more like brutally murdered...

Inverse Icarus · August 2, 2003, 18:37

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Originally posted by Boris Godunov

Uh, the 14th Ammendment specifically says:

"1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

"Person" can only refer to a human being. That's why animals and inanimate objects aren't considered U.S. citizens.

that's quite speciest of you. what if an alien race set up peaceful relations and eventually some of them came to live on the planet? would they not be considered people, and be denied citizenship?

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Article II:

"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States."

That specifically requires 1) a person and 2) they be "natural born," and you can bet that "natural born" will be interpreted to mean "not manufactured." An AI isn't "born," it's "made."

first, again thats speciest with the personhood argument. secondly, what about test tube babies, or humans grown in a lab? would they also be not nauurally born? also, when you're pregant, there are two major options: Natural Birth and C-Section. does this mean we should start revoking citizenship to all those who didnt squeeze through theirs mother's vaginas?

Kuciwalker · August 2, 2003, 20:03

Uber, a) please be joking and b) aliens would be "born", computer programs are run.

If I wrote an artificial intelligence that would always vote Republican, then ran that program several million times (simultaneously), would they all be allowed to vote (under your system), or would they get a single vote determined collectively? When is the program born? Compilation or execution? Even more so, a test-tube baby is still "born" in the sense that it was previously a fetus.

DanS · August 2, 2003, 22:16

Hispanic is either white or not.

As for the question...

(1) Woman (Hillary has a good shot in '08)
(2) Non-white (Powell and Rice show that people are comfortable with non-white leadership)
(3) Third-party
(4) Non-christian (it will even be hard for another catholic to win it in the next 30 or 40 years)
(5) Under 40 (greying of population)

st_swithin · August 3, 2003, 05:51

'Can't we just declare another emperor or something, you know, like Emperor Joshua Abraham Norton II?'

Samuel Langhorn Clemens, San Francisco, 1867

Ben Kenobi · August 3, 2003, 06:58

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and you can bet that "natural born" will be interpreted to mean "not manufactured." An AI isn't "born," it's "made."

Boris:

Beware MacDuff.

What about C-Sections? Do they count as natural born, since they require the intervention of technology?

Kuciwalker · August 3, 2003, 09:15

obiwan - read my previous post.

Rufus T. Firefly · August 3, 2003, 09:30

I always say the same thing in threads like these, so here it is again:

A president has to come from somewhere; increasingly, "somewhere" is either a governorship, the Senate, or the Vice Presidency.

There has never been either a woman or non-white veep, of course, though there has been a woman on the ticket. There are currently 6 women governors and 14 women Senators. There are no black governors and no black Senators. I believe there is only one non-white governor (Asian-American Gary Locke of Washington) and only 3 non-white Senators (the two Hawaiians and native American Ben Lighthorse Campbell).

Women are way, way out in front here, in terms of who has access to power and campaign experience. It'll be a woman.

Kuciwalker · August 3, 2003, 09:42

I still think it'll be a non-christian. A Jew or an atheist.

Joseph · August 3, 2003, 21:46

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Originally posted by skywalker
I still think it'll be a non-christian. A Jew or an atheist.

No atheist in my life time, and maybe not for the next 97 years.

Dr Strangelove · August 3, 2003, 23:16

Are we certain that no non-christians have ever been elected to the presidency? Warren Harding comes to my mind, he was the only president to ever die of alcohol related disease. He must at least have been pretty close to being a non-christian.

Joseph · August 4, 2003, 21:41

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Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Are we certain that no non-christians have ever been elected to the presidency? Warren Harding comes to my mind, he was the only president to ever die of alcohol related disease. He must at least have been pretty close to being a non-christian.

At lease no one has stood up and said out loud that "I am not a christian and I don't believe in God".

Sikander · August 4, 2003, 23:14

I think it will be:

Non-white
Woman
Non-christian

st_swithin · August 5, 2003, 03:56

My prediction:

Non-non-fat
Non-white
Non-blonde
Non-man
Non-alien

Sikander · August 5, 2003, 05:18

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Originally posted by st_swithin
My prediction:

Non-non-fat
Non-white
Non-blonde
Non-man
Non-alien

I myself could support a low-fat candidacy, though I don't think the nation is ready for a caffein-free candidate.

Atahualpa · August 5, 2003, 05:50

How about a non-white and non-christian woman under the age of 40 from a third party and partly augmented by artificial intelligence?

Sikander · August 5, 2003, 05:53

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Originally posted by Atahualpa
How about a non-white and non-christian woman under the age of 40 from a third party and partly augmented by artificial intelligence?

Are you nominating st_swithin?

Atahualpa · August 5, 2003, 08:28

I said partly augmented by artificial intelligence

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