August 11, 2003, 00:12
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Why does Settler II keep crashing?
I don't want any stupid answers like "Because it sucks" etc.
In the downtime reports, it always says something like "Cause of Downtime has not yet been established".
So, what is causing them? If it's high load, why aren't the umpteen anti-load features doing anything?
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August 11, 2003, 01:17
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Can't expect a Mini to carry the same load as a truck or humvee 
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August 11, 2003, 01:27
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It seems the load is still a problem.
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Originally posted by DanQ (in another thread)
Well, avatars lasted for almost five days this time around...
Unfortunately, I have had to temporarily disable them again  as a measure to reduce server load. We'll see "where we're at" in 1-2 weeks time.
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August 11, 2003, 03:34
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/me points to the dozen or so posts by Asuka listing a dozen or so reasons why Settler II keeps crashing
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August 11, 2003, 08:41
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August 11, 2003, 21:16
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Apolyton CS Co-Founder
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Re: Why does Settler II keep crashing?
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Originally posted by Frozzy
I don't want any stupid answers like "Because it sucks" etc.
In the downtime reports, it always says something like "Cause of Downtime has not yet been established".
So, what is causing them? If it's high load, why aren't the umpteen anti-load features doing anything?
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As has been referenced in this thread so far, high server load has been the result of the most recent crashes. The exact reason as to why there has been this extended high server load as of recent is still being investigated. Avatar disablement has in the past alleviated these problems, and is doing so again, but the institution of this measure should not be necessary in the first place (or, at the very least, not to the extent to which it has had to be employed as of late).
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August 11, 2003, 21:44
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what is settler II?
sounds interesting
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August 11, 2003, 21:53
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Settler II is the name of Apolyton's current server. Diss, you've been here several times as long as me, you should know that by now. 
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August 11, 2003, 23:38
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So what's going to happen when a couple of thousand new members sign up and dissabling the avatars won't cut it anymore?
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August 12, 2003, 03:22
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Please take my money 'poly! Or give me an address, and I'll get FedEx to mail you a big new server.
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August 12, 2003, 04:40
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Originally posted by H Tower
* H Tower points to the dozen or so posts by Asuka listing a dozen or so reasons why Settler II keeps crashing
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And those were all valid notes. 
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August 12, 2003, 05:00
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Originally posted by alva
So what's going to happen when a couple of thousand new members sign up and dissabling the avatars won't cut it anymore?
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Isn't there another expansion for Civ3 coming up? I agree we need to be pro-active rather than just reactive.
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August 12, 2003, 09:11
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I blame Linux.
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August 12, 2003, 09:34
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Asher, you are unaware of the actual problem. The problem is not the OS, the problem is the number and length of connections. Any server would crash when subjected to the load Settler II recieves.
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August 12, 2003, 17:47
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Originally posted by Asher
I blame Linux.
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hi ,
and that would be based on what , ........
it aint the problem , ......
have a nice day
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August 12, 2003, 18:07
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It's been pretty stable for me all day. First one in a while.
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August 12, 2003, 18:19
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Poly is crashing because of the high load times of all those threads asking why Poly is crashing.
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August 12, 2003, 20:29
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Originally posted by alva
So what's going to happen when a couple of thousand new members sign up and dissabling the avatars won't cut it anymore?
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Well, we are getting about 70 new ones a day. And at least 10 of those aren't DLs even. 
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August 12, 2003, 20:59
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Well it isn't the RON forums. Traffic there is no where near what it was on the CIV III forum.
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August 12, 2003, 22:02
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Because it suck... oh wait. 
It does seem kinda strange. It never was this bad with the CivIII influx even.
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August 12, 2003, 22:28
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Well, some of the CivIII influx stayed.
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August 12, 2003, 23:40
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Something is choking the HTTP connections in the software.
It's either:
1) Apache
2) Linux TCP/IP
Take your pick.
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August 13, 2003, 01:19
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Asher, follow this advice. Then, carefully read this.
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August 13, 2003, 03:17
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 at geeslaka
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August 13, 2003, 03:22
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August 13, 2003, 03:34
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Sorry, not going to get Flashed.
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August 13, 2003, 03:37
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It's very clean, nothing fancy, I promise..
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August 13, 2003, 03:38
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I was referring to the plugin. I'm not going to install it.
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August 13, 2003, 08:25
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For geeslaka:
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August 13, 2003, 12:46
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Your "any server would crash when subjected to the load Settler II recieves" comment is beyond ridiculous...
Linux's TCP/IP stack isn't very robust, the websites that use Linux for hosting use clusters so each individual stack doesn't get worked too hard. A real OS, like a BSD or NT, would handle it far more elegantly.
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