PtW scenarios - Page 2

SpencerH · August 14, 2003, 15:37

Pay attention, whats the ****in difference? Its the same outcome.

I also speed in my car (almost every day) and jaywalk (when its safe to do so).

Panag · August 15, 2003, 16:15

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Originally posted by vmxa1

One ignores the law at their own peril. People do that all the time, until someone catches them. If your point is that this agreement could be challenged and over tunred. Yes it could and may be, but until then, it is binding. Lots of people have paid big time for ignoring agreements.
I can not address laws in other countries, but to say that in the end, if a given country will not protect copyrights and such, they will find doing business to be difficult. Other countries and companies will be unwilling to risk it. This has been a problem for the far east.

hi ,

thats not the point , .......

have a nice day

Calculon000 · September 22, 2003, 22:15

If you build a house with a hammer, does the person who made the hammer own the house?

The editing programs made by the good people at fraxis are merely tools and don't entitle them to ownership of anything made with them.

Take fallout tactics for example:
The EULA for the map editor states that anything made with the map editor is the property of microforte and may be used by microforte for any purpose without any obligations of any royalties of any kind. This is a classic example of a big corporation shafting the little guy.

The same corporations who sell overpriced CD's (A CD is cheaper to manufacture than a cassette tape) to people who share the music contained within for free without making a cent.

And why is the government so quick to side with the big corporations? Because the teenagers who are sharing music can't vote. (And the whole slave to big business thing)

Calculon000 · September 22, 2003, 22:33

Furthermore, there are 3 kinds of stealing:

1. You take somthing from someone to help yourself.
(A parasitic relationship)
(Example: You steal a loaf of bread)
(Effect: You make someone poorer while making yourself richer)

2. You recieve something from someone.
(A commensalistic relationship)
(Example: You recieve a satilite signal without paying for it)
(Effect: You make yourself richer, while not effecting the other person in any way, good or bad.)

3. You take something from someone to help them.
(A symbiotic relationship)
(Example: You take a weapon from someone because they are trying to commit suicide)
(Effect: You make yourself richer, while making the other person richer in some way.)

1 is the traditional stealing that people have delt with for tens of thousands of years.

2 is intellectual property.

3 helps the person.

Draw your own conclusions.

vmxa1 · September 22, 2003, 22:45

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Originally posted by Calculon000
2. You recieve something from someone.
(A commensalistic relationship)
(Example: You recieve a satilite signal without paying for it)
(Effect: You make yourself richer, while not effecting the other person in any way, good or bad.)

Well I doubt that the cable company sees it as a relationship at all and I know the law sees it as thieft.
The cable company is being deprivd of ever getting you as a customer as you are helping your self to their service for free.

gunkulator · September 23, 2003, 12:20

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Originally posted by vmxa1

Well I doubt that the cable company sees it as a relationship at all and I know the law sees it as thieft.
The cable company is being deprivd of ever getting you as a customer as you are helping your self to their service for free.

Of course the counter argument is always: "Well, I wouldn't have bought it anyway." My response to that is always an incredulous "Yeah, right."

Back before the Dawn Of Time (pre-internet), most people, even poor college students, had to pay for music, software and other IP and (most important part here) nobody groused about the concept of paying for things they wanted. If they couldn't afford it, they went without. Alien as these ideals may be today, nobody felt their rights were being trampled by The Man.

Calculon000 · September 27, 2003, 03:06

I hate it when companies shout statistics like "We lose a bajillion dollars annually to piracy" When they always assume everyone who plays a pirated game is a potential customer.

WarpStorm · September 27, 2003, 09:59

You are right, Calculon000, they could be cheap bastards who don't have any concern for how others make their living and would rather take than give.

vmxa1 · September 27, 2003, 13:19

One of the recent pc gaming mags had a very cogent article on the subject. It gave some examples of how massive the problem is now.
It is funny how so many feel that it is fine to steal from companies and then bemoan the closing of some of those designer shops. As if stealing does not hurt anyone.