Another reason the Hive is go great...

Voltaire · August 13, 2003, 02:44

As you all may well know the Human Hive, that shining beacon of socialism, has long been known to be Planets greatest faction in word and deed.

Our numbers are great, unparallelled by any other faction, we number twice as numerous as Planets second largest faction.

Our Constitution is 15 pages, 4,303 words, 23,718 characters, 340 paragraphs, and 578 lines long (and this isn't even counting our glorious Charter of Rights and Duties of Citizens which guarantees the greatest freedom on Planet).

We are Planets largest producers of spam; in fact our production of spam has exceeded quotas by such large extents that we are considering exporting some of our spam to less fortunate factions.

This and many more reasons make the Hive so great...

But recently a startling discovery was made. During my travels around Planet to promote socialism, where I met with Communist Party leaders across Planet, when discussing strategies about spreading socialism to other factions it was revealed to me that the CyCon government consists of only 4 positions.

This came as great of a surprise. The CyCon have claimed that they are the greatest of democracies because of their 'collective consciousness'. And yet only 4 individuals impose their will on the masses. The outrage!

The CyCon should take example from the glorious socialist machine that is the Human Hive. The government of the Human Hive consists of 25 positions. And this does not even take into account the positions within the Central Military Commission, nor the ad-hoc committees. Counting the CMC and the committee positions the government of the Hive numbers to a grand total of 30 government posts.

Thus, given that the government of the Human Hive has more citizen participation, it follows that naturally the Human Hive must be more democratic then the CyCon. Not only is every citizen of the Human Hive a member of government, many have more than one post.

To reiterate:

CyCon: 4 Hive: 30

Hence once again the Hive proves superior.

Chairman Voltaire
Comparative Politics of Planet, Third Edition; Datalinks

Nubclear · August 13, 2003, 02:58

CYCON ONLY HAS FOUR GOVERNMENT POSITIONS?!?!

THOSE N'WAHS!

Mr. President · August 13, 2003, 03:51

It's the quality of the spam, not the quantity.

Drogue · August 13, 2003, 05:06

The CyCon is about efficiency. Why have more than 4 when 4 will do? However democracy is not about simply electing people, itis about the power threy have. The 4 cannot impose their will as they please. Moreover, we have 6 or 7 active and voting members, having any more positions would involve them not beign filled. We have an efficient system. We are telepathic,as you stated, and so the opinions of all are heard. We make decisions as a collective, but have various functions responsible for each area, so that when needed, we have people in a position to act. Why do you have 30? Surely the burocracy is crippling? Who says you have more participation? Democracy is about whether the actions taken reflect the will of the people, not how many officials you have. IIRC both Hitler and Stalin had many officials. Very democratic they were too

Democracy is great and all, but it is the quality of the government and the decisions they make, not the number of people it takes rto make them, that matters.

Maniac · August 13, 2003, 06:45

Is this in response of my ironic message in the turn tracking thread?

Quote:

The Hive has a turnchat? How democratic!

(We don't have turnchats - there are never enough people online at the same time.)

Kody · August 13, 2003, 07:36

There's never enough people online for my tastes either. However, there's always plenty of people around when the turn isn't up. :sigh:

The turnchat is sort of like the final phase for the hive, and actually matters the least in the decision making process.

I would write a pravda article about it, but I can't be stuffed.

Basically long term decisions are first broached between party members. If two members agree on it then it's polled. After that a fair number of people are individually talked to as some members have a habit of skimming the information, and instinctively hitting reply after typing a generic comment.

The SMAX and SMAC help forums are usually consulted to see if there's anything relevant. If that doesn't give much information the ideas are tested where possible in the scenerio editor.

From the information gathered a strategy is brought up. Again people are talked to individually to see their opinion on the strategy and adjustments are often made from insight from particular members. These adjustments are circulated around again to confirm. If there doesn't appear to be a clear majority on the strategy, it's polled again. Otherwise the strategy is just written up in the preturn moves.

The preturn moves usually show the specific moves of units. Planned production for each of the bases, and for the new bases that will soon be founded. Also generalisation of the strategies are usually put up in the preturn moves.

While waiting for the people without MSN to give their input on the forums, the possible disruptions for the plans are thought up and members are individually consulted on what they think should be done in those situations.

Usually by this time there's a few replies to the forum about the preturn moves and any suggestions are weighted. In the majority of cases the suggestions are used.

After that alot of thumb twiddling occurs while we wait for the university, the cycon and the pirates to make their moves. Usually the university and cycon have finished their moves after all the hive discussions have completed.

When the turn finally comes up, a few hive members will log on post some spam then log off. Since they didn't turn their MSN on, the turn taker will then have to post a message in the hive forum telling them to get on MSN. (The reason for the turn chat is, because it is a custom from the days when the hive never planned moves beforehand.) However, since they logged off again the turn taker will have to stay awake a couple of hours after his bedtime wondering if anyone will log on to MSN. He will be unable to proceed due to having a promise to always have a turn chat having been extracted from him rather early on.

When someone does log on, that someone will copy and paste bits and pieces of the preturn moves into the turn chat. The turn taker will follow the instructions that were written in the preturn moves. If something unexpected happens, generally it would have been already been discussed with alot of the members. In 90% of cases the turn taker will ask the other people/person at the turn chat of their opinion, and generally that opinion will be the same as what everyone else said when the theoretical situation was brought up during the planning stages.

In the case where the situation is fairly significant, and has not been predicted then turn will be held until a quick majority of 4 or greater is obtained from a verbal poll. (Basically get at least 4 people to verbally agree to an decision, and it has to be 2 thirds majority of the people asked). In the case where a clear majority isn't obtained the turn taker makes a forum poll and logs off to wait for 10 people to vote.

If the poll is still roughly 50% 50%, the chairman is asked to veto a decision.

Method · August 13, 2003, 16:18

Quote:

Originally posted by Maniac
(We don't have turnchats - there are never enough people online at the same time.)

Don't listen to this man, he's clearly delusional. What he meant was we don't need turnchats - why waste our time on something so inefficient as a turnchat when you have this telepathy-ish type thing going on?

Snowflake · August 13, 2003, 17:10

*Function MMD: We have three Emperor Prime Functions (and the Hive doesn't even have one). Who needs turnchats for democracy?

Edit: Just couldn't guess the color right.

Ahh this looks better.

Jamski · August 13, 2003, 17:21

Kody, are you being bitter? It's entirely your fault for living in Australia. Now if you moved to Europe or North America, then you might get more people in on the turnchat. Eh?

-Jam

GeneralTacticus · August 14, 2003, 02:41

No, no, no, you have it backwards. If the Euros and Americans would just move to Australia, then there would be no problem - as it is, the responsibility rests entirely on their shoulders.

Jamski · August 14, 2003, 03:37

But Australia's awfully hard to get a Visa for, with the very tight, its Ok if you're white (but no more Poms, please) regulations. Moving to the EU isn't hard at all (unless you're a terrorist) And we don't have any deserts, which is good, right?

And we have better beer.

-Jam

GeneralTacticus · August 14, 2003, 03:55

What's wrong with deserts?

Main_Brain · August 14, 2003, 06:15

Desert- Sand- More Need for Cleaning

//Drones need no fancy Positions. Equality first.

Drogue · August 15, 2003, 04:33

Quote:

Originally posted by Jamski
Moving to the EU isn't hard at all (unless you're a terrorist)

Should'nt that be especially if your a terrorist

GeneralTacticus · August 15, 2003, 04:35

Quote:

Originally posted by Jamski
But Australia's awfully hard to get a Visa for, with the very tight, its Ok if you're white (but no more Poms, please) regulations. Moving to the EU isn't hard at all (unless you're a terrorist) And we don't have any deserts, which is good, right?

And we have better beer.

-Jam

Whose definition of 'terrorist' are we using here, anyway? Under the George W. Bush definition, I probably qualify...

Nubclear · August 15, 2003, 05:58

Quote:

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus

Whose definition of 'terrorist' are we using here, anyway? Under the George W. Bush definition, I probably qualify...

George W. Bush, not only being anti-communist, is also anti-intellectualist.

I propose we ban him from all literature.

Method · August 15, 2003, 10:41

Quote:

Originally posted by Jamski
And we have better beer.

the best comes from mexico.

Jamski · August 15, 2003, 11:15

Nonsense, German beer is so far superior to that yellow water from Mexico.

GT, when are they extraditing you?

-Jam

Method · August 15, 2003, 11:27

well that may be, but at least.....at..least....

/me runs

foolish_icarus · August 15, 2003, 12:30

Quote:

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
No, no, no, you have it backwards. If the Euros and Americans would just move to Australia, then there would be no problem - as it is, the responsibility rests entirely on their shoulders.

do you really want us coming over there?