August 23, 2003, 02:44
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Christianity Seems Appealing, Doesn't It?
So why is it impossible to believe in for someone like me who hasn't been brought up around Christian dogma?
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August 23, 2003, 02:57
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Why do you find it appealing?
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August 23, 2003, 04:08
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That isn't the question here.
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August 23, 2003, 04:21
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Originally posted by Boddington's
That isn't the question here.
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August 23, 2003, 04:36
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Originally posted by Skanky Burns
Why do you find it appealing?
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Wouldn't you rather live in eternal happiness than be damned to hell to burn until the end of time? 
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August 23, 2003, 05:35
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If I do not believe in hell, where does that leave me? 
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August 23, 2003, 05:59
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In hell, of course
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August 23, 2003, 06:02
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August 23, 2003, 06:05
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August 23, 2003, 06:08
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 @ heresson
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August 23, 2003, 06:18
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Originally posted by Heresson
In hell, of course
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Pah, I am the Mayor of Dis. Take that.
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August 23, 2003, 06:47
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He´s right, the only Difference is, that Hell for Atheists and Christians has a diferent Shape
(from a joke I only know in German):
A convinced Atheist, who just died, sudenly appears in a dark Hal. He discovers a sign: "To Hell". He has no other choice than to follow the Hall to Hell. After some time he aproaches a Door which isn´t locked.
The Atheist enters hell and doesn´t trust his eyes.
Bright sunshine, pleasant temperatures, palms, sea beach, all 100 meters a beach bar, merry humans all around, in short paradisic conditions. The just deceased Atheist goes the beach along, until he sees a shape with a Clove Hoof and a tail suddenly sitting in a Beach Basket.
He goes toward the shape and asks him whether he is the devil. The latter affirms this and welcomes the newcomer in hell extremely cordially. After a small chat he sends the Newcomer to one of the Beachbars in order to get a drink. The Atheist gets itself a drink and saunters at the beach along to further explore hell.
Between dunes he discovers a large, deep hole. He looks curiously into the depth and gets dreadfully frightened.
He sees whimpering, naked humans at the deep ground of this hole. A hot fire and a wild Beasts beat the bodies of humans.
The Atheists runs immediately back to devil, confused and bewildered, and asks him about the hole.
The divil doesn´t understand the Question and so the Atheists asks again about the hole, the beasts and the humans back there at the dunes.
"Oh, this one", the Devil replies, "this is for the Christians, they want it that way".
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August 23, 2003, 08:37
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Proteus: Brilliant
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August 23, 2003, 08:46
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@ proteus
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So why is it impossible to believe in for someone like me who hasn't been brought up around Christian dogma?
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Because it's dogma.
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August 23, 2003, 08:48
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Re: Christianity Seems Appealing, Doesn't It?
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Originally posted by Boddington's
So why is it impossible to believe in for someone like me who hasn't been brought up around Christian dogma?
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Are you really serious about the question or just baiting to get a pro vs anti christianity thread?
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G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"
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August 23, 2003, 08:51
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Hopefully, he's serious.
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August 23, 2003, 09:01
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Which bit is appealing? And why?
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August 23, 2003, 09:32
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Nice thing, Proteus...
But at least catholic church revised its vision of the hell.
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August 23, 2003, 09:51
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Hell needs to fire whoever does its PR
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August 23, 2003, 10:07
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Pah, I am the Mayor of Dis. Take that.
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I thought that was gePap ? 
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August 23, 2003, 10:07
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great idea! can't you just see it now 'satan hires former new labour spin doctor'
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August 23, 2003, 10:55
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Poly isn't the best place for getting advice, speak to a minister.
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August 23, 2003, 11:10
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Originally posted by Boddington's
Christianity Seems Appealing, Doesn't It?
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Originally posted by Skanky Burns
Why do you find it appealing?
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Originally posted by Boddington's
That isn't the question here.
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But... if you like the ideas of Christianity, Bod's, why does it matter if you don't believe the Christ and God bit? Jesus might not have been the Son of God, but it doesn't mean he didn't say some nice things. Doesn't mean he didn't say some bad things, either... but that's neither here nor there.
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August 23, 2003, 11:12
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Yeah..I believe the moral teachings of Christianity are  , but can't bring myself to believe in all those myths about Jesus and God etc.
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August 23, 2003, 11:36
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Yeah..I believe the moral teachings of Christianity are , but can't bring myself to believe in all those myths about Jesus and God etc.
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You're in good company with Thomas Jefferson.
Though I suppose you wouldn't like him since he ****ged a black chick... 
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August 23, 2003, 11:38
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I find myself in agreement with Boris 
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August 23, 2003, 11:40
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Nice thing, Proteus...
But at least catholic church revised its vision of the hell.
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Wasn´t it even the catholic curch, which invented Hell Firstplace?
After what I heard Jesus himself never mentioned some place like Hell, but it was some Pope who first said that there is sme Place where Hele, where al Snnrs go.
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August 23, 2003, 11:41
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Proteus, IIRC the Jews already had the concept of Hell...
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August 23, 2003, 11:47
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What was there to agree or disagree with? I just stated a fact about Jefferson's beliefs...
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August 23, 2003, 11:51
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Proteus, IIRC the Jews already had the concept of Hell...
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http://www.biblehistory.com/Hell%20Jewish.html
The Jewish concept of "Hell" was far different from the Christian one that developed. Certainly much more philosophically nuanced and creative than the "burn forever" place. I mean, how passe is that?
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