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You should try socialist realism 
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What's that?
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August 23, 2003, 20:54
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That was the 'art' officially promoted by the USSR and other socialist countries. Definitely a must if you wanna see bland and boring forms of art
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August 23, 2003, 21:00
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Actually the ones I looked up weren't too bad!
Sortof like Norman Rockwell meets the Nazis.
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August 23, 2003, 21:02
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The Sun of Communism
For all you wannabe Commies out there...
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August 23, 2003, 21:10
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It's your lucky day!
Instead of being purged as enemies of the state you are being sent out to the field to harvest crops by hand!
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August 23, 2003, 21:10
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The nice thing about Jesus is that he was more concerned with what people do than he was with what doctrine they held. The repeated theme of his teachings is that the doer of the word is blessed. Hearing the teachings of Jesus and not doing them is condemned in scripture. I do not believe that anyone who actually does love their neighbor as Jesus taught will ever see hell. On the other hand I think that many who call themselves Christian will never see heaven.
Most of the threatening of Jesus was directed toward hypocrites and phony religious people who used the name of God to further a particular agenda not approved by him. "He that does the truth comes to the light". The Indians and slaves persecuted by Christians in the name of manifest destiny (or any other high-sounding excuse for greed) will see the kingdom of God before their persecutors will. Wearing the name is not enough. To be a follower of Jesus it is necessary to actually do what he said. Yes, salvation is a free gift of grace but the trampling of that grace under foot by those who should be teaching it by example is a grievous sin.
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August 23, 2003, 21:17
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The nice thing about Jesus is that he was more concerned with what people do than he was with what doctrine they held. The repeated theme of his teachings is that the doer of the word is blessed. Hearing the teachings of Jesus and not doing them is condemned in scripture. I do not believe that anyone who actually does love their neighbor as Jesus taught will ever see hell. On the other hand I think that many who call themselves Christian will never see heaven.
Most of the threatening of Jesus was directed toward hypocrites and phony religious people who used the name of God to further a particular agenda not approved by him. "He that does the truth comes to the light". The Indians and slaves persecuted by Christians in the name of manifest destiny (or any other high-sounding excuse for greed) will see the kingdom of God before their persecutors will. Wearing the name is not enough. To be a follower of Jesus it is necessary to actually do what he said. Yes, salvation is a free gift of grace but the trampling of that grace under foot by those who should be teaching it by example is a grievous sin.
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Well spoken. Are you a preacher? If not maybe you should be  
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August 23, 2003, 21:22
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I thought that was gePap ? 
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Yes it is!
UR: you are now on trial for sedition against the rightfull rulers of the fair vity of Dis! 
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August 23, 2003, 21:29
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I say we hold an election !
Vote GePap for mayor ! 
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August 23, 2003, 22:06
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Originally posted by Ted Striker
[Christian rock music] falls under what I'm talking about.
These artists are all "restrained," and it's all a part of the guilt complex that American churches especially bore into everybody from day 1.
Most Churches preach so much guilt and following the rules that everyone is afraid to let loose in fear of being judged or being a sinner. So everything is so watered down and steralized.
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You need to get out a bit more. You obviously know very little about CCM (contemporary Christian music). Not a personal attack, Ted, just an observation.
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You know when people are full of spirit you can feel it. But all I see from these artists in an act on stage.
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No, most people don't know. The "spirit" that many people seek (for example, as another mentioned, black gospel worship style) is just as much a performance and equally capable of being void of true inspiration. The eye (and taste) of the beholder is perhaps a greater influence here than actual discernment of the artists and art in question.
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August 23, 2003, 22:17
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That just shows you that capitalism is the way to go. Commies have so little sense they stare directly at the sun even after their mothers tell them not to...
Most Contemporary Christian music sucks not because of the influence of the lifestyle, but because there are relatively few people who are both talented in music and willing to devote their entire careers to singing about God. There are only a few good Christian rock artists but bear in mind that you're looking at a small sample size. Even in mainstream rock, for every new Led Zeppelin or Jimi Hendrix that comes into the light there are about a thousand punk garage bands with names like Backdoor Hopscotch Illusion whose idea of a good song is a few distorted guitar riffs, a blur of profanity intermingled with complaints about the system keeping us down, and another few ugly chords to finish 'er off. The good-to-dud ratio is the same, but there are a lot more duds so naturally a lot more good musicians who you've actually heard about.
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August 23, 2003, 22:31
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I'm not talking about "Bringing In The Sheaves".
Christian Rock, and other genres are, becoming big.
Seriously.
If you're just talking Hymns, I still think some are very good.
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'Christian' rock music= as appealing a prospect as vomit flavoured toothpaste, or a battery acid enema.
Music for people who find Reader's Digest challenging and controversial.
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August 24, 2003, 05:30
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Sorry Player, I agree with Straybow. There's some good stuff out there!
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August 24, 2003, 06:20
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Heaven and hell = Carrot and stick. Why? Control of people.
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Oh, now I underdstand. Those cunny Jesus and Apostles and Christians of first centuries....
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August 24, 2003, 06:25
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Originally posted by Spiffor
I thought that was gePap ?
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We all take turns to be the Mayor 
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August 24, 2003, 06:30
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Yes it is!
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Okay, if that's the way you want to play, fine.
You have been sent to Heaven 
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August 24, 2003, 09:17
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Sorry Player, I agree with Straybow. There's some good stuff out there!
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OK, who are you and what have you done to the real Boddington's!?
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August 24, 2003, 09:18
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Yeah..I believe the moral teachings of Christianity are , but can't bring myself to believe in all those myths about Jesus and God etc.
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Haxe you considered Unitarianism?
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August 24, 2003, 09:28
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Christianity has some of the most noble philosophical sentiments you will find at its core. Jefferson felt that the teachings of Jesus were sublime, but that Paul had corrupted the message and had turned Jesus into a divine figure out of fanatical desire to bring people to his side. That's why Jefferson created a version of the Bible in which he removed the supernatural elements, which he felt were ludicrous, and removed a lot of Paul's words.
I don't see why there would be an incompatibility between believing the teachings ascribed to Jesus are wonderful things and yet rejecting the supernatural elements.
"Love one another" requires no supernatural beliefs.
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Jefferson wrote a book about this. I think it is entitled "The Life and Teachings of Jesus Christ". ....or was it "The Teachings of Jesus Christ as He Meant Them To Be"? I've forgotten, but apparently a number of copies of this book are distributed among the offices of US Senators and Congressmen. Newt Gingrich used to point to this book and wax poetically about Jefferson as one of our Christian forefathers. Evidently Newt was illiterate or he would have realised that Tom was a Deist.
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August 24, 2003, 09:30
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To be a follower of Jesus it is necessary to actually do what he said. Yes, salvation is a free gift of grace but the trampling of that grace under foot by those who should be teaching it by example is a grievous sin.
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Yuh, a lot of people seem to miss that point. A whole lot.
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August 24, 2003, 10:10
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Christianity Seems Appealing, Doesn't It?
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no... knowledge should be promoted... not discouraged.
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August 24, 2003, 10:49
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Why?
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August 24, 2003, 10:56
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Originally posted by Heresson
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because we were given a mind... to use it, lose it, or abuse it. (assuming God exists) he gave us a mind... that suggests he values knowledge. Believing in a religion that discourages dissenting views and threatens them with eternal damnation would go against the basic nature of humankind.
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August 24, 2003, 11:13
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Why? You've just stated that if God gave us mind, He gave it to us so that we could use it
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August 24, 2003, 11:43
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Why? You've just stated that if God gave us mind, He gave it to us so that we could use it
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August 24, 2003, 13:55
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Why (he he he)?
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August 24, 2003, 19:49
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Even though I am an athiest, I believe in an afterlife because there is some scientific evidence behind the existance of ghosts.
Diplo, There was a show on the Discovery channel that says Mary was raped by a roman soldier, so the virgin birth thing is BS.  There is some evidence that Jesus survived his executiona nd faked death, so it appeared that he came bace to life. He then moved to southern France.
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August 24, 2003, 19:52
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Even though I am an athiest, I believe in an afterlife because there is some scientific evidence behind the existance of ghosts.
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August 24, 2003, 19:55
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Boring Christians please show me an example of a Christian artist that DOESN'T SUCK
mission impossible
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August 24, 2003, 20:08
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Boring Christians please show me an example of a Christian artist that DOESN'T SUCK
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Michellangelo, da Vince, Titan, Raphael, Rembrandt, Heironymus Bosch. I could go on.
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