Imperialism 1870 . . . Version 2 - Page 4

curtsibling · September 16, 2003, 15:01

Must have been Dumbo, and his nice personality!

Arthedain · September 16, 2003, 16:13

*lol* good one curt

Exile · September 16, 2003, 16:20

It's finished, the files are zipped, and I'm sending them now to the sites. Look for the available download any time.

gerryandersson · September 17, 2003, 10:18

Can't you post one here?

Exile · September 17, 2003, 14:15

I could, but I won't.

I have "issues" with ACS and posting my scenarios.

I've never posted them here. The Spanish Civ2 site will always get them first. Then CivFan.

Paul Hanson · September 17, 2003, 14:33

What sort of issues? Just out of curiousity, more than anything.

Exile · September 17, 2003, 16:44

My issue w/ACS; Awhile back, when I posted something on the community forum, a mod accused me of doing/being something I wasn't. When I proved him wrong, he decided to be obnoxious and insulting, rather than apologize for being wrong. I sent him a PM which let him know how I felt about it. I didn't pull any punches. At that point, one of the owners contacted me and sarcastically asked, "if you're going to do that, why come here?"

My response to that was simple, easy, and permanent.

I don't go there anymore.

AFAIAC, this is the SCENARIO LEAGUE forum. If you'll look, you'll discover that I don't go to any others. The obnoxious mod in question didn't have any mod powers here for quite some time. Now, apparently, he does, but I seldom see any participation from him, for which I am pleased.

If I were face-to-face with this person, I have no doubt whatsoever that the problem would have been resolved. It would probably never have arisen. As it is, there are far too many people like him online who feel they can treat others badly, and that, due to the distances involved, there are no consquences for this behavior. It's cowardice and stupidity on their part. I have no time for stupid cowards.

In sharp contrast, the site managers of both the Spanish Civ2 site and the CivFan site have been exemplars of courteous, friendly, and helpful behavior. Special thanks will always go to Jesus' Balsinde for his intial tolerance, understanding, and willingness to help, but also to several other gentlemen who frequent that site. Thunderfall on CivFan is also prompt, friendly, and eager to receive the files I send. He was also willing to create screenies without me saying a word about it--a very pleasant surprise. These two gentlemen set a shining example of how a Civ2 site should be administered. They have my loyalty because of that.

The files have been sent to both the Spanish Civ2 site and CivFan. Download them there.

jasev · September 17, 2003, 18:48

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AFAIAC, this is the SCENARIO LEAGUE forum. If you'll look, you'll discover that I don't go to any others. The obnoxious mod in question didn't have any mod powers here for quite some time. Now, apparently, he does, but I seldom see any participation from him, for which I am pleased.

Our little Spanish Site Forum is open for you at any time

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The files have been sent to both the Spanish Civ2 site and CivFan. Download them there.

I've just uploaded it. You can find it in "Bestonet", "XIX Century" section.

Thank you very much, Exile

Galvatron · September 18, 2003, 02:50

Yeahh I downloaded it, I downloaded it. Am I the first one? Hmm is a good feeling to be the 1.st one who gets the official release

I'm a privileged person. Well as you now Exile I once said that your scens where really good from the functional site (one can see that you put much work into it) but your graphs always where the weakpoint. Now they really, really, really improved and you will take the place among the elite place of top scen designers

PS:
Oh on a side note: As a matter of fact the Spaniards brought the scen already out but there is nothing at the Civfanatics. Hmm might this be a sign of European superiority over the US

Yeah I knew it we're always better

(Nothing personal just my weird sense of humour)

jasev · September 18, 2003, 04:10

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Yeahh I downloaded it, I downloaded it. Am I the first one? Hmm is a good feeling to be the 1.st one who gets the official release I'm a privileged person.

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but... how do you think I uploaded it? I've been the first one who got the official release

(but I still couldn't test it so you've been the 1st one who plays it

)

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Oh on a side note: As a matter of fact the Spaniards brought the scen already out but there is nothing at the Civfanatics. Hmm might this be a sign of European superiority over the US

Europan?

It would be Spanish superiority

As a matter of fact, we're a small site and we haven't a lot of job so we can do this things faster. It normally takes three or four days for us to upload new releases, but when I noticed there were no other download sources, I did my best

curtsibling · September 18, 2003, 07:43

On the subject of Civfan, it's a fun site, and TF is a nice chap.

Bu! I have been asking them for ages to remove my old ToT and MGE scens from their server, but they just ingnore my requests...

Odd.

curtsibling · September 18, 2003, 07:59

On the subject of the scen...It looks very, very nice.

Fairline has outdone himself, the units are among the best...ever!

Exile has cemented 1870's place as one of the CIV2 classics.

That silver fleece medal was well deserved!

Now where is Fairline's medal?!

jasev · September 18, 2003, 09:12

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Now where is Fairline's medal?!

*jasev looks around looking for someone else to blame*

curtsibling · September 18, 2003, 09:30

On the topic of the scen:
I hate to bring this up, but Glasgow city should really be in co-ords 123,35.

I live there, so I should know!

jasev · September 18, 2003, 11:20

Sorry, wrong post

Cifer Almasy · September 18, 2003, 17:12

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Originally posted by curtsibling
On the topic of the scen:
I hate to bring this up, but Glasgow city should really be in co-ords 123,35.

I live there, so I should know!

Yeah, you´re a Scottish?

curtsibling · September 20, 2003, 17:37

Guilty as charged, yer honour!

Palaiologos · September 21, 2003, 10:31

And i noticed that Greece is an oriental member.

We were already an independant nation at the time(actually an Agglo-Russian protectorate) and causing as much troube to the Turks as we could. We even declared war on them in 1897 despite having no army!

And what is this Candia city in Crete?

It should be either Chandax or Herakleion.

curtsibling · September 21, 2003, 10:38

I agree with Pericles.
Athens should be with the British.

Herakleion is a fitting city for crete, I would think.

Palaiologos · September 21, 2003, 10:49

Only Athens though. Thessalonica and Crete were liberated in 1912. Actually Crete had uprised earlier but officially it joined Greece in 1912.

fairline · September 21, 2003, 10:54

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Originally posted by curtsibling
On the subject of the scen...It looks very, very nice.

Fairline has outdone himself, the units are among the best...ever!

Exile has cemented 1870's place as one of the CIV2 classics.

That silver fleece medal was well deserved!

Now where is Fairline's medal?!

Thanks Curt, but I haven't even finished a scenario yet, let alone a classic one like the recipients of the award have, so I don't even remotely deserve a Silver Fleece. I have a Cycling profficiency badge and a bronze swimming certificate from my school days, so I'm happy

curtsibling · September 21, 2003, 10:55

@Pericles:

I agree.
I would also like to see Glasgow not occupying the area where Aberdeen would be...

Aberdeen was/is a dire dump.

Glasgow was the 2nd most important city in the British Empire.

curtsibling · September 21, 2003, 10:57

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Originally posted by fairline

Thanks Curt, but I haven't even finished a scenario yet, let alone a classic one like the recipients of the award have, so I don't even remotely deserve a Silver Fleece. I have a Cycling profficiency badge and a bronze swimming certificate from my school days, so I'm happy

Well, the medal is about contribution to the community.

No need to be modest!

Exile · September 21, 2003, 13:06

Ok, as far as Glasgow is concerned; See how few squares there are in the British Isles on this map? In the context of this scen, Britain MUST be a premier industrial power. SO, it was essential that ALL the squares available be utilized. In order to facilitate the use of all available squares in the interest of creating GB's industrial potential, I had to place Glasgow where I did.

I just love

it that all you guys are soooooooo willing to correct me, but perhaps you should take a peek at AoW. Are the cities in Scotland placed to your satisfaction in that scen?

I bet they are.

And as far as Greece is concerned--take a look at the ImpRead file. IIRC, seems like I did place a disclaimer there about certain cities belonging to whomever--in the interest of playability. Does anyone EVER read that stuff?

When it comes right down to it, I run up against the limitations of the Civ2 engine over and over again;

I'd use an even larger map--if I could find one.
I'd place every major city on every continent--if 255 wasn't the limit.
I'd make each and every nation its own civ--if I weren't limited to 7 and barbs.
I'd make the RR and oceanic movement more realistic--if the program didn't do weird things when I did.

Civ2 is the only canvas I have, at present, to paint upon. When a better one comes along . . . I'll use it.

Now, please stop carping about minutiae and just enjoy the damn scenario.

And I haven't voiced one word of complaint about all these WWII scenarios that are currently glutting the Civ2 world. Until now.

Um, how many WWII scens do we need? How many are truly unique? How many are simply rehashes of prior scens with a passel of new super-cutesy Nemo graphics? For my money, if I wanted to play a WWII game, I'd just load up Axis and Allies. Civ2 is an infinitely flexible template and is therefore ideal for creating games that deal with rare topics and periods. How many Franco-Prussian War scens are there? How many Peloponesian War scens are there? How many 30 Years War scens are there?
There is fertile ground out there, but very few of us seem to be sowing it. Instead, too many are plowing up the same tiny plot of ground--over and over again, like rabid groundhogs.

end rant. lol.

curtsibling · September 21, 2003, 13:33

Wow!

Hey! There's no need to intensify defence shields, Captain!

To be frank:
I reckon Glasgow could be in its proper place and still have big factory output.
Exile, but a bit of feedback is what this thread is for.

I am not 'carping'...

I am making a valid point that my home city is several clicks away from where it is meant to be.

I would hardly deem this as minutiae, sir.

But worry not, I am not about to let a minor detail ruin my fun of your sublime work, dude.

But please do not regard my and other poster's comments as a slight on your ability.

We are the players, your CIV2 fellows, not an arena of detractors.

I have the highest regard for your scenario, and it's impact - as I have said many times.

We are a community; we create scens to have fun.
And if they are remakes of previous ones, so what?

I welcome as many scens as there can be made, I do not reject any based on content or type.
There is no room for elitism in what we do, it is meant to be fun, not a rivalry.

I would say that the past is best left in the past.
You are here now, at the zenith of your work, forget the previous opponents you had.

I find that old enemies are best left in your wake.

So let's be reasonable.

And yes, the CIV2 engine is limited, but we all strive to push those borders.

Let's keep doing that!

Exile · September 21, 2003, 14:12

Look at the smileys, Curt. And don't take it seriously. For some of us, venting is actually fun.

curtsibling · September 21, 2003, 14:56

LOL!

Well, I am just trying to keep everyone happy...

Zabba149 · September 22, 2003, 15:47

Exile, I am playing as Japan in Imp2 on the hardest difficulty level in SP and am actually finding it quite challenging. I enjoy taking the low man on the totem pole in your scenarios (Spain in AoW, and Japan here) and turning them into a world power.
Your trading system is excellent, mucho props on making trade such a big part of your scenarios.

IMHO, setting up trades routes is one the funnest things to do in Civ2, but sadly this feature gets left out of many scenarios.

Once again, thanks for a great scenario and I love the Raw Materials and Mfg. Goods graphics fairline!

curtsibling · September 22, 2003, 16:07

Yep, this ranks as a true classic scenario!

Long live 1870!

Cyrion · September 22, 2003, 17:00

Wow, for a moment I was afraid that 2 of my Civ "idols" were about to fight each other!

Glad to see the venting was just for fun!

And BTW, just keep on doing such a great work, both of you, you manage to amaze me so often!!

PS: Exile, if you take a look at the "Another AOW" pbem, you'll see that with early support from the main powers, Turkey can become quite efficient at tech research!