Upcoming : Vietnam - Battle of Dien Bien Phu

Matthew22 · August 25, 2003, 06:24

Ive Begun work on a Vietnam Scenario about the first indochina war between the Viet minh and the French. Im going to focus on the battle of Dien Bien Phu , The turning point in this war.

Im new to your forum so please excuse me if i ask some stupid questions.

Speaking of which here is one now. If anybody has any Vietnam/jungle related units,terrain or citys could they please post them as ive found these seem to be hard to find.

If i can get a few of my ruddy Unit.gifs to post i would, but it dosnt seem to be working, so bare with me, im new.

Arthedain · August 25, 2003, 06:27

It's working allright. And they look nice

fairline · August 25, 2003, 06:43

Looking good, Matthew. I think the Anzac did some Viet Cong who would be of use as Viet Minh. Check either his site or the modern gfx showcase.

Steff · August 25, 2003, 11:02

Here are some Vietcongs.....

Palaiologos · August 25, 2003, 15:44

I wonder when the frenchies will find an opponent they can beat...

Matthew22 · August 26, 2003, 02:30

They did have a few small (and i emphasise small) victories in the first indochina war. but their faith in static defences was once again their undoing (maginot line anyone?)

Case · August 26, 2003, 03:46

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Originally posted by Palaiologos
I wonder when the frenchies will find an opponent they can beat...

*cough* Libya in the 1980s
*cough* Iraq in 1991
*cough* The Serbs in the 90s
*cough* The various bad guys in the Congo at this very moment

Palaiologos · August 26, 2003, 12:10

Oh man, these don't count!

The ANZAC · August 26, 2003, 23:35

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Originally posted by Case *cough* Libya in the 1980s

Actually, IIRC, the French got arrogant and perturbed as usual and prevented the US from flying bombers over their airspace to use against Libya...

Matthew22 · August 27, 2003, 04:14

I realy need some helpwith my cities icons.

I need some military base/camp designs or small vietnamese villages.

Screen shots to follow soon.

Palaiologos · August 27, 2003, 05:21

Will these do?

Courtesy of Curt sibling.

Matthew22 · August 27, 2003, 06:09

Yeah they are great, thanks alot

Palaiologos · August 27, 2003, 06:24

Be sure to credit him.

These icons were designed especially for a request of mine and were untill now unpublished.

Mmm.... on a second look, i guess you are looking for cities gfx, not improvements.
Oh well.....

I hope they come in handy.

Case · August 27, 2003, 23:43

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Originally posted by The ANZAC

Actually, IIRC, the French got arrogant and perturbed as usual and prevented the US from flying bombers over their airspace to use against Libya...

...as did Spain and Portugual -are they also arogant and perturubed?

At the same time as the brief US raids, the French Foreign Legion had spent several years kicking several shades of, erm, stuffing from the Libyan troops in Chad.

Matthew22 · August 28, 2003, 01:29

Yeah i was actually meaning cities gfx , but the ones posted are great.

Heres my first screenshot

French Paratroopers and legioners try to silence one of the Viet Minh gun positions attacking their airfield.

EmuGod · August 28, 2003, 07:00

Which civilizations will be playable?

Matthew22 · August 28, 2003, 07:03

As this stage -France and the Viet Minh and possibly a neutral side, as this is only a smallish map foccusing on a specific battle.

Any Suggestions welcome.

academia · August 28, 2003, 15:35

Outstanding. I love the combination of graphics you chose

Mmm... suggestions? why don´t you make a vietnam scenario after you finish this one?
with the yankees this time

Palaiologos · August 28, 2003, 17:11

Dude are you going to include events such as that heroic sacrifice of the 28 legionaires against the 3.000 Viet Minhs?

They held them for two hours before they all got killed.

And how are you going to implement the French supply problem?

Matthew22 · August 29, 2003, 01:39

Thanks academia, Yeah i am considering doing another Vietnam War scenario , or possibly a Bosnian conflict scenario , although there is still a lot of work left on this one.

And in response to Palaiologos, yes i will try and make it as accurate as possible including events such as that, as if i recall corectly they will killed defending one of the out lying positions which i have included. ( also the French artillery comander killing himself because he could not fire back at the Viet Minh guns zeroed in on the french base).

In regards to the supply problem , i have two ideas in mind 1) Using the events text , reinforcements(paratroopers and artillery ammo) will be awarded in random turns and ocasionaly the Viet Minh will recieve them (representing how the supplys were often dropped off target due to the increasingly small perimeter of the french camp.

2) using a similar method to what Pablostuka used in his Spanish Civil war scenario (instead of researching technoligies , you request reinforcements)

Boco · August 30, 2003, 00:30

Sounds like you have some great ideas. Tech tree reinforcements can be a very good way to get the type of units created where you want them, yet give the player lots of control. Are all the cities artillery units?

Your screenshot shows a nice selection of art. One possible suggestion for the terrain: take a look at Hardjoy's excellent jungle gfx. His mountains are superb - and not snow covered.

Matthew22 · August 30, 2003, 01:37

Thanks , No only the smallest Viet Minh citys are depicted them to represent the artillery batterys the Viet Minh dragged up into the mountains.

I hope to have some more screen shots soon , showing the main french camp, but a pressing Graphics and Design assignment has put a brief hold on work on the scenario ( hope to be back at it with in a few days)

And where would i find Hardjoys Graphics?

Arthedain · August 30, 2003, 10:16

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Originally posted by Matthew22
And where would i find Hardjoys Graphics?

Here

Always willing to help!

Boco · August 30, 2003, 14:35

Hardjoy has another version of mountains. I forgot about the set in your post, Arthedain. Here's another. Although it's for an unpublished scenario, he's happy for people to use these terrain files.

Matthew22 · August 31, 2003, 02:06

Wow , thanks guys those are great. And il be sure to credit him for them and give him my thanks.

Funny thing is i had never realy realised the snow capped mountains were a problem until you brought it up and now i cant believe i was so blind....

Matthew22 · August 31, 2003, 02:57

Ok ive reworked some of the terrain gfx, Tell me what you you think.

our_man · August 31, 2003, 07:35

Looks excellent; my only suggestion is that you get different graphics for the iron/gold resources, as they clash with the rest of the mountains.

Arthedain · August 31, 2003, 07:59

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Originally posted by Boco

Hardjoy has another version of mountains. I forgot about the set in your post, Arthedain.

Yeah, those are also very nice

Thought you were meaning the african ones though, these will fit the scenario better.

Boco · August 31, 2003, 10:13

Hardjoy, hope you don't mind my quoting you.

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Please do [post the terrain gfx]! - Some of the old Emin Pasha graphics looks a little dated compared to some of the more recent stuff, but if someone can use it, they're very welcome..

Not sure that it's dated, but it's definitely top notch.

Panag · August 31, 2003, 11:42

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Originally posted by Matthew22
As this stage -France and the Viet Minh and possibly a neutral side, as this is only a smallish map foccusing on a specific battle.

Any Suggestions welcome.

hi ,

, you should bring in the locals on the french side also , ......

have a nice day