***PBEM*** Part II - Page 5

BigFree · December 22, 2003, 03:05

210 AD to Soltz.

Soltz · December 23, 2003, 01:34

Turn got delayed by a couple of Christmas parties but has now been sent on to the Ottomans.

SpencerH · December 25, 2003, 08:34

230ad sent again. Hopefully, not garbled by excite this time.

BigFree · December 26, 2003, 02:28

Cool. That was totally weird though.

230 AD to Soltz.

SpencerH: Regarding your Sig......it's 9.99 now! Do you think you'll pick it up now?

SirOsis: If you respect mine, I'll respect yours.

Soltz · December 26, 2003, 16:32

250 AD sent to the Ottomans.

Enjoy the holiday!!!

SpencerH · December 28, 2003, 09:33

There's no rush even at $10. It's still not properly patched and I'm currently playing medieval total war. Then there's RoN and WC3 'the frigid throne' (or some weird name).

SpencerH · January 5, 2004, 08:21

250AD sent

SirOsis · January 5, 2004, 14:01

I've been looking at medieval total war. How is it? I liked Shogun and med looks like it has more strategy. Unfortunately I don't really need another game.

BigFree · January 5, 2004, 16:54

250 AD to Soltz.

SpencerH · January 5, 2004, 17:54

MTW (I paid $20) is better than shogun, and as I understand it, the expansion improves it another step. The big change will come with Rome Total War (due out later in the year) which has much better graphics and a much better strategic component.

from the rome total war faqs

"A. Total War games are in genre of their own. If you love strategy games, you will love RTW, but this isn't an RTS, it's much, much more. You can tailor how you play the game to appeal more to your tastes. If you want a perfect balance of politics, micro management and real time epic sized battles you've got it. If you want to spend more time in the senate than on blood stained battle field you've got it. If you want to prove your might purely on how you master the art of war then you've got it.

The biggest change you'll notice is on the campaign map. The 'Risk-style' provinces have disappeared to be replaced by point-to-point movement for armies, and settlements with their own regions (hinterlands) that they draw on depending on the size of the settlement. A big, advanced city will have more influence on its surrounds than a small town. Armies and characters on this map are now fully animated and march (or sneak, in the case of spies!) to fulfil your orders.

Cities generate income and train new troops, drawing on local resources. Each city can be assigned a governor, who will do his best (well, probably) to manage the place and keep order.

What is cool and new is that when you fight a battle to control the city, every building that's in a city on the campaign map is there on the battlefield. Destroy a building in a siege, and it's gone on the campaign map. Storm a city and take it with siege towers, batterings rams or artillery and you'll find that you can use any buildings still standing to further your plans of conquest. Better still, the buildings in a town even show who made them, as each culture has its own style of architecture!

Q. Can you make your own treaties?

A. You will be able to negotiate specific treaties and other agreements with other powers. This lets factions agree military treaties, trade agreements, trade cities and territory, arrnage diplomatic marriages, demand tributes, pay blackmail money, swap information and so forth. Deals don't have to be symmetrical, so you can trade a city for military access, and some cash if you want!

Q. Are maps fully dynamic i.e. what happens on the battle map has a physical effect on the strategy map and vis versa?

A. Rome: Total War features a continuous 3D map covering the whole of Europe, North Africa and the Middle East, and any point on this map could be a battlefield. The Campaign map is comprised of thousands of 'battle maps'. This means that you could fight on approximately 10,000 battlefields, each of which can change according to your actions in the game.

Every mountain, hill, forest, farm, volcano, city and Wonder of the World that you see on the campaign map is right there on a battlefield. As the map changes with roads, forts and farms being built it is reflected on the relevant battlefields. As the seasons change you see snow on the north of the campaign map and on northern battlefields. This continuity between the two levels of the game opens up all sorts of strategic options. You can build forts to guard mountain passes, set ambushes in forests, make beach landings, launch fast raids into enemy territory, move your armies through allied territory to co-ordinate campaigns, capture Wonders of the World, ford rivers and generally try to out-manoeuvre your enemies. It all helps to make you feel like you are in one epic, continuous world."

SirOsis · January 6, 2004, 14:47

Rome looks pretty nice. I see you can get Medieval for 30 with the Viking expansion. Have you tried that out?

Turn sent.

SpencerH · January 6, 2004, 16:24

Not yet.

SpencerH · January 7, 2004, 08:45

260ad sent

BigFree · January 7, 2004, 16:00

260 AD to Soltz.

BigFree · January 8, 2004, 13:26

270 AD to Soltz.

SpencerH · January 9, 2004, 08:09

280 AD sent

Oh the perfidity........

SirOsis · January 9, 2004, 13:38

Perfidy?

Hardly. England was warned not to enter Ottoman waters and return to their lands. Even after lavish gifts were bestowed upon England they disregarded a simple request from a peaceful empire.

We therefore send your scout's head back to you so that you might be more receptive to requests in the future.

SpencerH · January 9, 2004, 14:39

The scout you murdered and the ship you tried to sink (I thought it was barbs

) were (and are) in neutral waters.

SirOsis · January 9, 2004, 15:15

Those waters you traveled through and where you are now are claimed by the Ottoman Empire. They are not "neutral". If you would have listened to our envoys this unfortunate incident could have been avoided.

Instead you ignore our requests and take our scholars work with no comment except continuing on your course through our waters.

The Ottomans condemn your actions and would warn the Babylonians and Greeks that the English take goodwill and return nothing except war.

BigFree · January 9, 2004, 17:10

Hmm...This is interesting because I asked the Ottomans to not enter my territory and I ensured them that I would not enter theirs if that was to be respected. But, the Ottomans entered my territory anyways. So, now, I am entering theirs. I did not want the Ottomans to scout my territory, but since they seem intent on scouting mine, I will scout theirs. Babylon has no intention of war or war like actions. The Ottomans are completely responsible for the Baylonian Empire's intrusion into their waters.

SpencerH · January 10, 2004, 08:48

290AD sent

SpencerH · January 10, 2004, 08:55

Quote:

Originally posted by SirOsis
Those waters you traveled through and where you are now are claimed by the Ottoman Empire. They are not "neutral". If you would have listened to our envoys this unfortunate incident could have been avoided.

Instead you ignore our requests and take our scholars work with no comment except continuing on your course through our waters.

The Ottomans condemn your actions and would warn the Babylonians and Greeks that the English take goodwill and return nothing except war.

After a dangerous sea voyage our sailors did indeed enter Ottoman waters. You asked us to leave your waters (which we did). Then you attacked our galley in neutral waters despite our assurance that we had no hostile intent and without a declaration of war. Then you attacked our scout (outside of Ottoman claimed land).

Your reputation preceeds you Sir. In contrast, the Greeks and Babylonians know the worth of English honour.

SirOsis · January 10, 2004, 14:51

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Originally posted by SpencerH

After a dangerous sea voyage our sailors did indeed enter Ottoman waters. You asked us to leave your waters (which we did). Then you attacked our galley in neutral waters despite our assurance that we had no hostile intent and without a declaration of war. Then you attacked our scout (outside of Ottoman claimed land).

Your reputation preceeds you Sir. In contrast, the Greeks and Babylonians know the worth of English honour.

The land your scout was on is claimed by the Ottoman Empire. We also requested you to return to English waters not continue on your course through Ottoman lands.

The Ottomans gave you technology under the assumption you would withdraw. We heard of no thanks nor your intentions. The English apparently lack the ability to be gracious.

It is your reputation that preceeds you. I have not heard the Greeks or Babylonians praise English honour. I doubt any exists.

SirOsis · January 10, 2004, 14:55

Quote:

Originally posted by BigFree
Hmm...This is interesting because I asked the Ottomans to not enter my territory and I ensured them that I would not enter theirs if that was to be respected. But, the Ottomans entered my territory anyways. So, now, I am entering theirs. I did not want the Ottomans to scout my territory, but since they seem intent on scouting mine, I will scout theirs. Babylon has no intention of war or war like actions. The Ottomans are completely responsible for the Baylonian Empire's intrusion into their waters.

The Ottomans have been careful not to enter your territory. We have maintained our galleys in neutral seas off your coasts and our horsmen outside your cultural boundries.

If Babylon continues its course along Ottoman shores that is a declaration of war. We are not responsible for your intrusion in our waters. You are fully responsible. Have your galley return to neutral waters or war is inevitable.

SpencerH · January 10, 2004, 15:12

Quote:

Originally posted by SirOsis

The land your scout was on is claimed by the Ottoman Empire. We also requested you to return to English waters not continue on your course through Ottoman lands.

The land my scout landed on is not within your cultural boundaries. Shall I post a picture? More likely it's that the Ottomans simply claim all land a theirs.

BigFree · January 10, 2004, 16:39

Quote:

Originally posted by SirOsis

The Ottomans have been careful not to enter your territory. We have maintained our galleys in neutral seas off your coasts and our horsmen outside your cultural boundries.

If Babylon continues its course along Ottoman shores that is a declaration of war. We are not responsible for your intrusion in our waters. You are fully responsible. Have your galley return to neutral waters or war is inevitable.

Sir, you were not in 'neutral' seas; you were in fact inside my borders!

I first asked that you not enter my territory; but, you did anyways. So, one 'good' turn deserves another. Did expect that your intrusion would be forgotten. Was it enough to decalre war on you over it? No, I think not, but at the very least, I will take my Galley through your territory and not respect your wishes for me to leave since you showed me none of the same respect you are now asking for.

Is it your memory that is at fault or are you just looking to pick a fight?

I hope it's the former and that you can understand my position. I also hope that you do not act in a hasty manner and declare war on me as you have done with the English. I am not looking for war, but niether will I allow your intrusions go unnoticed.

Soltz · January 10, 2004, 18:24

The Greeks, either by accident or design, have not suffered incursions by any of the peoples in this dispute.

We affirm our neutrality and would be willing to assist in a peaceful resolution of this conflict.

BigFree · January 10, 2004, 19:59

The humble Babylonians graciously accepts the offer made by the wise Greek people. Please let me know what I can do.

290 AD to Soltz.

SirOsis · January 11, 2004, 16:10

Quote:

Originally posted by BigFree

Sir, you were not in 'neutral' seas; you were in fact inside my borders!

I first asked that you not enter my territory; but, you did anyways. So, one 'good' turn deserves another. Did expect that your intrusion would be forgotten. Was it enough to decalre war on you over it? No, I think not, but at the very least, I will take my Galley through your territory and not respect your wishes for me to leave since you showed me none of the same respect you are now asking for.

Is it your memory that is at fault or are you just looking to pick a fight?

I hope it's the former and that you can understand my position. I also hope that you do not act in a hasty manner and declare war on me as you have done with the English. I am not looking for war, but niether will I allow your intrusions go unnoticed.

The Ottomans have seen through your ruse. Our scholars have studied the map in which you claim we entered your territory and declare it a forgery. My captains are under strict orders not to enter the territories claimed by you. They have assured me that they did not enter Babylonian territory. I am much more inclined to believe my captains. They are most trustworthy.

Your galley within Ottoman waters has been destroyed. Apparently the Babylonians are as deaf and honourless as the English. Through your rash actions you have shown your penchant for war with the peaceful Ottoman Empire.

SpencerH · January 11, 2004, 16:24

Based upon their ability to 'spin' the truth I'd say the Ottomans must be Democrats.