MSN - So many topics covered briefly, 10/9/03

[Kody]

Kody says:
did anyone ask about kicking certain people out of the hive?
Kody says:
like some of the members that have only posted 2-3 times
Voltaire says:
no
Voltaire says:
no one asked
Voltaire says:
as best as i can recall
Kody says:
someone should
Voltaire says:
well we could keep them simply for the sake of prestege
Voltaire says:
but for security reasons i'd preffer not to
Voltaire says:
unless they can be identified
Kody says:
well whatever you decide
Voltaire says:
alright
Voltaire says:
i'll unofficialy poll everyone's opinions on it
Kody says:
okay
Voltaire says:
you're in favor of kicking them?
Kody says:
well when I check the lists
Kody says:
it'll load faster *lol*
Kody says:
I'm in favour, but it's not a strong opinion.
Kody says:
willing to abide by any decision you make.
Voltaire says:
lol
Voltaire says:
alright
Voltaire says:
i'll put you in the iffy catagory
Voltaire says:
hopefuly not everyone is as apathetic as you
Kody says:
*nod*
Voltaire says:
what turn are we on?
Voltaire says:
never mind
Voltaire says:
Post here: http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showt...threadid=96592
Kody says:
done
Voltaire says:
perfect
Voltaire says:
good thing someone reminded me or else i would have forgoten
Kody says:
who reminded you?
Voltaire says:
A mutual friend of ours
Voltaire says:
I had almost forgoten since it has been a while since i last saw him
Kody says:
Rokossovky?
Voltaire says:
no, not someone on Poly
Voltaire says:
which reminds me
Voltaire says:
Where is Rokossovky?
Voltaire says:
He told me that he would be back sometime this coming week, or next
Voltaire says:
since he had to get settled in to residence and all
Kody says:
he says computer is dead, but I secretly believe he's been abducted by aliens.
Voltaire says:
LOL
Voltaire says:
That'll teach him for buying a Toshiba
Kody says:
Jamski has been missing the last 2 days too
Kody says:
last I heard he was recovering from binge drinking
Kody says:
but that was 3 days ago
Voltaire says:
LOL
Voltaire says:
If only more people took after Jamski we'd be like Soviet russia
Kody says:
heh
Kody says:
remember rokossovky's comment on selling off base names
Voltaire says:
I'm afraid i don't (I have a very bad memory, trust me you'll learn this more as we go along)
Kody says:
Couch Commander says:
god damn I feel like post-soviet russia
Couch Commander says:
selling our realestate to pay for government
Voltaire says:
LOL
Kody says:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...32#post2239232
Voltaire says:
so we're getting there
Kody says:
so since you have a bad memory I should remind you of your tasks constantly?
Voltaire says:
lol
Voltaire says:
not a bad policy
Voltaire says:
not to worry, my memory's not THAT bad
Voltaire says:
i just tend to forget stuff until i see something that reminds me of it
Kody says:
oh....... makes a post
Voltaire says:
yup
Voltaire says:
or sort of like sitting in internatiolan relations class, professor mentions something about trade, me: "Oh **** I forgot to contact the Pirates"
Kody says:
*nod*
Voltaire says:
I'm not that bad though, more often than not I just put things off by saying to myself "I can do it tomorrow, there's still time before the deadline." And before I know it it's due.
Voltaire says:
Which reminds me
Voltaire says:
I have a term paper due in October
Voltaire says:
I should get started on that
Kody says:
Okay then
Voltaire says:
but i've send a PM to Herculese and he has already responded
Voltaire says:
I have informed him that he should send all further inquries to my e-mail
Voltaire says:
and that i will be taking over the negotiations
Voltaire says:
all in RP of course
Kody says:
I thought you were going post the corespondence
Voltaire says:
opps
Voltaire says:
i will
Voltaire says:
now
Voltaire says:
alright an update has been posted on the ambassadors thread
Kody says:
cool
Voltaire says:
LOL
Voltaire says:
just saw your post
Kody says:
heh
Kody says:
aww but I didn't get to see the roleplay
Voltaire says:
yes i know
Voltaire says:
i didn't save my original PM
Voltaire says:
it was written in the forma of an official document
Voltaire says:
signed and all
Kody says:
you deleted it immediately?
Voltaire says:
no
Kody says:
it should be in your send folder
Voltaire says:
i didn't bother to save it when i sent it
Voltaire says:
i always unclick all those options on the bottom
Kody says:
fair enough
Kody says:
so what reasons did you give for the change?
Voltaire says:
The 'official' reason was that the initial contact between our two factions occured through the Department of Development (i.e. you) and has been transfered to the Hive government given the fact that we are the policy makers
Voltaire says:
Theoreticaly that is true within the context of the constitution
Kody says:
*nod*
Voltaire says:
except i failed to mention you're also Commissioner of Foreign Affairs
Voltaire says:
but that's a minor thing
Kody says:
*chuckle*
Kody says:
oh just a reminder
Kody says:
the cycon have applied and biogenetics already
Kody says:
so if the pirates don't trade them off us
Kody says:
they'll probably trade them off the cycon at some later date
Voltaire says:
Did you speak to them at all about the CyCon frequency?
Kody says:
also we're going to try and hold the turn until they decide on a trade
Kody says:
because the value of biogenetics drops heaps after we build it this turn.
Voltaire says:
very trye
Voltaire says:
*true
Kody says:
If they find out we're building HGP this turn, they probably won't want biogenetics
Voltaire says:
that seems like a good idea
Voltaire says:
i will also speak to the Pirates about more political matters, attempt to convince them that we're the lesser of the evils
Voltaire says:
if there does exist a rift between the CyCon and Pirates
Kody says:
in relation to what?
Voltaire says:
it only serves our purposes to enlarge it
Voltaire says:
in relation to the other human factions
Kody says:
if we're the lesser of two evils, and the 2nd evil is the cycon.....
Kody says:
it won't work very well
Kody says:
because we've been trying hard to get the cycon on our side.
Kody says:
the pirates know this
Voltaire says:
What the Pirates think they know can hurt them.
Voltaire says:
They know nothing for certain.
Kody says:
if we attempt to destablise the rift by saying someone or something is bad. the pirates will probably copy the email tot he cycon.
Voltaire says:
I may as well spin a web of lies if necessary... not to worry I will not do anything without the consultation of the Hive
Voltaire says:
I will not do that
Voltaire says:
I will simply point out how relations with us can be beneficial, and how the research factions are dangerous
Voltaire says:
I will tell the truth
Voltaire says:
In those regards
Kody says:
I've already brought up the cycon comm link
Kody says:
it's in my diplomatic post.
Voltaire says:
Alright
Voltaire says:
Before we continue there's a path I failed to explore earlier
Voltaire says:
If necessary, since we're abandoning the Uni war plans
Voltaire says:
the non-research factions could team up against the two research factions
Kody says:
lol
Voltaire says:
it's a possibility which may well become likely
Voltaire says:
given the right circumstances
Kody says:
yeah probably
Kody says:
hrmm another thing to note
Voltaire says:
so we will not dismiss the pirates just yet
Voltaire says:
?
Kody says:
I've subtlely lead buster to believe there are pacts going on already.
Voltaire says:
There are
Voltaire says:
If not pacts
Voltaire says:
then trade
Kody says:
however the depth of the pacts are what are in question.
Voltaire says:
Ah
Voltaire says:
The Drones are not aware of the shaky relations between the CyCon and Pirates?
Kody says:
buster is considering teaming up with us because he wonders whether it would be possible to get away with going solo
Kody says:
I wouldn't call it shaky yet.
Kody says:
if he believes there will be enough infighting between factions
Kody says:
he may decide to go solo through the rest of the ACDG.
Voltaire says:
We must keep in mind one thing, if the Drones keep delaying the permipact issue chances are they are just stalling for time
Voltaire says:
We must have alternatives avaliable
Voltaire says:
But I would preffer the Drones
Voltaire says:
since they're the only ones that would agree to a permipact
Voltaire says:
IMO
Kody says:
is they haven't decided by turn 2136
Kody says:
our turn 2136, then they might be stalling for time.
Kody says:
yes the drones are the only ones that would be willing to trade diplomatic flexibility in exchange for permipact.
Kody says:
the others are it in partly for the diplomatic infighting
Voltaire says:
exactly
Voltaire says:
a pact with them is more stable
Kody says:
whereas buster is playing to win.
Voltaire says:
hmm
Kody says:
if we play to win too, then the pact should stay pretty strong.
Voltaire says:
Who is taking on the CyCon negotiations?
Kody says:
I suggest honghu
Voltaire says:
I agree
Kody says:
although we'll see if she agrees.
Kody says:
she's been busy of late
Kody says:
maybe we should suggest it to her now

[Kody]

HongHu has been added to the conversation.

Kody says:
honghu you've been accepted for cycon diplomat
Kody says:
Congratulations!
HongHu says:
oh god
HongHu says:
lol
Voltaire says:
You should feel very proud.
HongHu says:
ok thanks
HongHu says:
yes dear chairman
Voltaire says:
The People have chosen you Comrade HongHu
HongHu says:
I'm feeling proud
Kody says:
We should put Jamski in charge of the university?
Voltaire says:
LOL, I like that.
Kody says:
Or maybe one of the others.
HongHu says:
I have one request dear chairman
Voltaire says:
I'd send them Tass if he were still with us.
HongHu says:
that you talk to jamski
Voltaire says:
Anything
HongHu says:
so he could withdraw his excution order
HongHu says:
that I could safely return to Hive
Voltaire says:
Tsk tsk tsk
HongHu says:
lol
Kody says:
execution order?
Voltaire says:
What has Jamski been up to...
HongHu says:
you guys don't read IC
Voltaire says:
The IC story
Voltaire says:
I just remembered.
HongHu says:
it is quite drastic now
Kody says:
I've been way too busy.
HongHu says:
he wants me dead
Kody says:
I've been out and about on a rover.
HongHu says:
I'm hiding in Drones
Kody says:
mapping and talking to mayors
HongHu says:
if chairman have time
Voltaire says:
Drive to Voltarograd, seek refuge in my private residence, you're always welcome there.
HongHu says:
maybe you could write a short ic post
HongHu says:
ok
HongHu says:

Voltaire says:
Do that, and then we will do another joint IC post
HongHu says:
ok
Kody says:
heh
Kody says:
when all the hubris dies down over the ingame
Kody says:
I'll need to read all that IC stuff
HongHu says:
and perhaps clear marshal from his "counterrevolution activity" too
Voltaire says:
I hope Jamski knew well what he was getting into.
Voltaire says:
Had harm come to you, and word reached my ears, which it would have.
HongHu says:
I think vev needs to murder him
Kody says:
lol
Voltaire says:
I will call a summit, all the senior Hive members shall come to Voltairograd.
Voltaire says:
In my private, I mean public, estate.
Kody says:
I think we need to start labeling MSN chats by dates
Voltaire says:
that would be a good idea
Kody says:
to see the opening of the PTS
HongHu says:
yes
HongHu says:
now I need directions with CC
Kody says:
because I couldn't fit all the topics we've talked about in the topic header.
HongHu says:
what diplomatic stance we are going to hold toward them
Kody says:
HGP is also openining in Feckin Tower.
Voltaire says:
Friendly
Voltaire says:
Extremely friendly
HongHu says:
are we going to pact
Voltaire says:
we want a pact with them if possible
Kody says:
we want to pact
Kody says:
however, non-critical information to be shared only.
HongHu says:
drones pact priortize cc possible pact?
Kody says:
at the moment drones pact priortises
HongHu says:
ok
Kody says:
however that may change
HongHu says:
ok
Voltaire says:
Just consern yourself with the CC pact
Voltaire says:
Don't bring up the Drones
HongHu says:
ok
Kody says:
if they ask, just say it's all undecided
Kody says:
which is it
HongHu says:
I will not try contact them until next turn if we get their comm link
HongHu says:
ok
Kody says:
we don't know how deep our pact with the drones may become.
HongHu says:
I agree
Voltaire says:
regardless of the Drone pact
Voltaire says:
push for a pact with the CyCon
HongHu says:
yes i will
Voltaire says:
if the permipact take effect
Voltaire says:
then we can use the cycon to our advantage
Voltaire says:
if not
Voltaire says:
then we can fall back on the CyCon
HongHu says:
we will have to choose between them eventually
Kody says:
if the permipact takes effect we'll try and get the drones to accept the cycon into the pact, (but not as a permipact member)
Voltaire says:
even if they dissagree
Voltaire says:
we will tell them that we are simply using the CyCon to our advantage
Voltaire says:
which would be the truth
Kody says:
no that's not what we should say
Kody says:
needs a different slant
Voltaire says:
or right
Voltaire says:
these are the drones
Kody says:
tell them that we're interested in the cycon as their ideology is compatiable to ours
Voltaire says:
something to the effect of how the CyCon can contribute to our research as a junior member of our alliance?
Voltaire says:
Will that work on the Drones?
Voltaire says:
This is Buster we're talking about
Voltaire says:
he plays to win
Kody says:
however that we will keep our word to the drones, and the drones' alliance is more important.
Voltaire says:
true
Voltaire says:
but we would technicaly be keeping our word with the drones, the pact with the CyCon is not perminant, and we'd share our gains from it with them
Kody says:
we just let them know if it came down to a choice, we would side with the drones.
Voltaire says:
granted it's a matter of semantics
Voltaire says:
and the Drones are you field
HongHu says:
we need to be careful not to make the drones suspect our intentions
Kody says:
with the cycon we don't mention permipact
Kody says:
just refer to it as a pact.
HongHu says:
at least not yet
HongHu says:
I agree
Kody says:
well the ideal situation is cycon-hive-drones win.
Voltaire says:
actually
HongHu says:
I'm not sure if buster will want to go for three faction win
Voltaire says:
i don't think the Drones would go for it
Voltaire says:
a 3 way win?
Kody says:
however, if there is a decision to be made
Kody says:
we would go for drone-hive
HongHu says:
that's why I said we will have to choose bt them eventually
Kody says:
since we've more deeply commited to the drones
HongHu says:
although situation may change so that we won't have to choose
HongHu says:
it would be chosen for us
Kody says:
that may occur
Voltaire says:
We could simply tell the drones that a pact with the CyCon would just be a pact, not a permipact, so we're in this to win with the Drones, the CyCon are a means to an end.
Kody says:
but you should make it so we are always telling the truth
Voltaire says:
the end being the victory of our two factions (i.e. us and the Drones)
Voltaire says:
That is the truth
Kody says:
don't call cycon a means to an end
Voltaire says:
if we permipact
Kody says:
that may make the drones think that maybe they're a means to an end
Kody says:
just say the drone's pact is stronger than the cycon one.
HongHu says:
hold
Voltaire says:
Sorry
Kody says:
I think the drones will understand that exactly for what it is.
Voltaire says:
let me clarify something
Voltaire says:
are you speaking of now?
Voltaire says:
or after (if) we permipact?
Kody says:
if we permipact
HongHu says:
back
Kody says:
until we permipact, cycon and drones are treated equally friendly
Voltaire says:
Alright
Voltaire says:
I get it
Voltaire says:
you want to put pressure on the Drones to permipact
Kody says:
that only happens after a week
Kody says:
if they start dragging their feet
HongHu says:
it is now a rather important turning point I think in drone-hive relationship
HongHu says:
if they go for permpact
HongHu says:
we'll stick together with them to the end
HongHu says:
if they hesitate
HongHu says:
that may mean we will apart eventually
Kody says:
if they hesitate we give them a little leeway
HongHu says:
No matter who we would part later, drones or cc,
Kody says:
then we start aiming to throw our weight with the cycon
HongHu says:
the parting is going to be painful
Voltaire says:
We should still pertend that we aren't aware of the Drone game
Voltaire says:
if they're stalling for time
Kody says:
it won't work
HongHu says:
we need to handle it with extremely care
Kody says:
it's too obvious that we met the drones
Voltaire says:
let them thing that we're ignorant of it
Kody says:
at the moment in the early stages I think we should give the impression they're just a trading partner
Kody says:
nothing more
HongHu says:
if cc asks
HongHu says:
I would have to say that we pacted
Voltaire says:
of course, nothing wrong with that
Voltaire says:
we just don't tell them about the permipact
Kody says:
depends on how they ask too
HongHu says:
but I will not say that we are into drones hive joint win
Kody says:
because sometimes if they don't ask the right way you can divert them.
HongHu says:
yes
Kody says:
well at the moment we aren't in a joint win
HongHu says:
which is the truth
Kody says:
in fact things may turn out we go for a joint win against the drones
Kody says:
rather than with
HongHu says:
it may
Voltaire says:
indeed
Voltaire says:
the CyCon proposed this earlier in the game
Voltaire says:
in the communique blacklisted by Googlie
Kody says:
until the drones finally make their decisions, we need to keep options open
Kody says:
proposed the joint win?
Voltaire says:
I'm not sure
Voltaire says:
The CyCon may well not like the idea
Kody says:
which idea?
HongHu says:
can you repeat what you said chairman?
Voltaire says:
a joint win
Kody says:
*nod*
HongHu says:
I didn't understand
Voltaire says:
Let me rephrase
HongHu says:
cc proposed the idea of joint win?
Voltaire says:
I do not believe we should propose a permipact to the CyCon
Kody says:
the cycon may be only after roleplaying friends.
Voltaire says:
Just propose a normal pact against other factions...
Kody says:
*nod*
Voltaire says:
Which essentialy signifies that we're pacted until other threats are eliminated.
Voltaire says:
After which it's each for himself
HongHu says:
yes
Voltaire says:
I think with the CyCon that is the better option
Voltaire says:
But let us test the waters first
HongHu says:
I would agree
HongHu says:
ok
Voltaire says:
We may well want to offer a permipact
Kody says:
I think that as long as we give them a nice roleplaying scenerio when we break up.
Voltaire says:
if we feel they would accept it
Kody says:
They won't hold it too strongly against us

Vev has been added to the conversation.

Voltaire says:
the Drones?
Voltaire says:
or CyCon?
Kody says:
invite ezrhino?
HongHu says:
we have invested quite a lot into drones
Kody says:
the cycon
Vev says:
hard core
HongHu says:
so parting with them is harder
HongHu says:
same with them I would believe
Kody says:
the cycon should be okay as long as we make it a big roleplay event when we part.
HongHu says:
what is hard core?
Kody says:
should we involve EZrhino?
HongHu says:
is he the hard core?
HongHu says:
lol
Voltaire says:
I don't see why not, I think I appointed him a member of the People's congress moments ago
Voltaire says:
He just doesn't know it yet'

TrickyAnansi has been added to the conversation.

Kody says:
heh
Kody says:
figures that you appoint people and forget to tell them
TrickyAnansi says:
what?

Voltaire says:
No no
Voltaire says:
Rember how i said i'd just appoint people
Voltaire says:
to fill up the job list
Voltaire says:
that's what it was about
Kody says:
Voltaire says:
I don't see why not, I think I appointed him a member of the People's congress moments ago
Voltaire says:
He just doesn't know it yet'

HongHu says:
and people needs to find out themselves
Voltaire says:
hey
Voltaire says:
it's not my responsibility to tell them
Voltaire says:
they should damn well pay attention
HongHu says:
lol
Kody says:
heh
Kody says:
Erin: you're in the people's congress
TrickyAnansi says:
say what??
HongHu says:
it is not that they get paid or anything
Voltaire says:
Yup, we just forgot to tell you.
HongHu says:
congratulations!
Kody says:
HongHu is the new cycon ambassador
Vev says:
but think of all the subsidised xenodoughnuts
TrickyAnansi says:
I dont know what to say
Voltaire says:
Now be a good little deputy and read the constitution
Kody says:
and voltaire is taking over pirate negotiations
HongHu says:
that'll take him 5 days
HongHu says:

Kody says:
not as long as it would take to read all my posts if he wanted to help with in game stuff
Voltaire says:
lol
HongHu says:
oh that'll take us 5 months lol
Vev says:
Can I join in and make it even longer?
Kody says:
sure
HongHu says:
you mean like 5 years?
Kody says:
Vev you can be university ambassador
Voltaire says:
That's what it would take to read all our spam
HongHu says:
but you need to murder jamski first
Vev says:
I need a fake persona
Vev says:
I was keen to do a seadog
Kody says:
Erin: this is where all the interesting stuff in the hive occurs in the censored MSN conversations
HongHu says:
vev you need to talk to the chairman about all the murders
Vev says:
now for a academia nut
HongHu says:
and chairman is planning to hold a meeting with the hard cores
Vev says:
People will die oitnow!:
HongHu says:
and I will be able to come out alive again
Vev says:
don't worry we will find spare organs for you
Voltaire says:
brb
HongHu says:
we will try our best to avoid any death but
Kody says:
thread jackers
Kody says:
away
HongHu says:
hmm?
Vev says:
need vampires
Vev says:
Hive Vampire!
Vev says:
and weremindworms
HongHu says:
vev you need to write your ic fast
Vev says:
speed story
HongHu says:
lol
HongHu says:
read what chairman said before you came
Vev says:
a need a kicker to begin
HongHu says:
and come with some idears
HongHu says:
to clear everything up
HongHu says:
within hive
HongHu says:
murder can prolong longer
HongHu says:
it is more complicated anyway
HongHu says:
but we need people to work for the hive
Vev says:
what stuff by the chairman?
HongHu says:
like me
TrickyAnansi says:
gotta log off for a bit, be back in 20 minutes or so
HongHu says:
oh he said that I can go to his private shelter and seek protection from himself
Voltaire says:
Alright, I must depart for while, don't go anywhere, i'll be back in 20 min, until then do what you're best at, SPAM

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[Kody]

Vev says:
can you give me a brief pointer where I should take the story?

TrickyAnansi has left the conversation.

Vev says:
that is usually what takes the longest time for me
HongHu says:
well I think you have gethered some info
HongHu says:
about the murder
HongHu says:
there could be several options
HongHu says:
one, roko did it for he doesn't want to pact with drones
Vev says:
so now set the story from my point of view over what I have discoverd
HongHu says:
two , univ did it and framed roko
HongHu says:
you need to talk to chairman
Vev says:
I prefer process of elimination
HongHu says:
and clear roko out
HongHu says:
and bring me to his place with more info
HongHu says:
about univ probe teams operations at drones
HongHu says:
and he'll hold the meeting
HongHu says:
and everything is cleared in hive
HongHu says:
but there would be more murders
HongHu says:
roko was actually taking the oppotunity to murder jamski
HongHu says:
and blame it on univ
HongHu says:
for power struggle bt the two
HongHu says:
really does exist
HongHu says:
but chairman do not need to know
Vev says:
is Roko now a NPC?
HongHu says:
npc
HongHu says:
what's that
Vev says:
non - playing character
Vev says:
essentially we can take over what the character is doing
HongHu says:
well he just entered university so may be busy
HongHu says:
but we can't wait for him
HongHu says:
I'll try email him see if he can do something but I doubt
HongHu says:
what I just said was just a quick thought
HongHu says:
you could perfect it by your own
HongHu says:
oh
HongHu says:
an
HongHu says:
and
HongHu says:
you should send a probe team to jamski
HongHu says:
to help find honghu but the true intention
HongHu says:
is to help the murder investigation
HongHu says:
and they may have saved jamksi's life
Vev says:
more probing
HongHu says:
lol
HongHu says:
that may be quite a lot in writing
HongHu says:
or
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jamski could visit drones
HongHu says:
and was murdered there
HongHu says:
attempted murdered at least
HongHu says:
ok this all that I've thought
Kody says:
Okay I'm giving up posting the rest of this conversation
HongHu says:
oops
HongHu says:
censor them out