What if ....

Beta · September 19, 2003, 16:20

I am a wargamer from way back - before PC's were common. A lot of war games back then had "What If" scenarios, which would take some historical conflict and add some twists or different conditions - either at the start or during the game. For instance - you are playing as the Germans on the western front in the early days of WW1. Now, what if the east front Russian campaign wraps up a lot sooner, and you get more reinforcements than historically occurred. That kind of thing.

OK - so now to apply it the demo game, you have to state the "what if" scenario, and your projection of how the game would be different. That is the intent of this thread.

I will state some obvious ones you can work with:

What if Lux survived on Bob?
What if there were 8 teams, and RP had a southern neighbour?
What if there were 9 teams and Lego had a neighbour?

Take it wherever your imagination can go.

GhengisFarb™ · September 19, 2003, 16:30

What if ND and GoW didn't like each other?

The two Bobian warmonger civs at each other's throats.......

Beta · September 19, 2003, 16:34

And I will go first, with an obvious fave...

What if Vox had won the war against GS?

Well, a complete win was probably not in the cards, so how about a partial victory with a better - for Vox - peace settlement. Say we gained a handful of cities south of the original border.

This really depends on whether GS and Vox could have patched up their relationship - which is doubtful to start with. But, assuming we had, and Vox established a sounder economic base, how would this have affected the world geo-political scene? It may have been enough to maintain the uneasy peace on Bob, that dubious alliance that Vox first encountered when we crossed the straight. (yes - there is another what if.)

Would Vox, Lego, and GS be alligned by geography against the Bobians, making their allaince even stronger. Or would Bob stiill be in a similar position as today, with a different dynamic regarding 'outside' help from the 'islanders'.

My guess is .. assuming a trusting relationship was re-established between GS and Vox .. that at the first sign of breakdown on Bob, we, Vox, with GS' help would have pushed for land settlement on the NE corner of Bob. This would be done in alliance with GS for an exchange of Estonian land.

This is similar to the potential situation prior to the war, and as I was suggesting above, the other obvious what-if. And in retrospect, maybe what Vox should have done.

GhengisFarb™ · September 19, 2003, 16:38

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Originally posted by Beta
And I will go first, with an obvious fave...

What if Vox had won the war against GS?

Well, a complete win was probably not in the cards, so how about a partial victory with a better - for Vox - peace settlement. Say we gained a handful of cities south of the original border.

This really depends on whether GS and Vox could have patched up their relationship - which is doubtful to start with. But, assuming we had, and Vox established a sounder economic base, how would this have affected the world geo-political scene? It may have been enough to maintain the uneasy peace on Bob, that dubious alliance that Vox first encountered when we crossed the straight. (yes - there is another what if.)

Would Vox, Lego, and GS be alligned by geography against the Bobians, making their allaince even stronger. Or would Bob stiill be in a similar position as today, with a different dynamic regarding 'outside' help from the 'islanders'.

My guess is .. assuming a trusting relationship was re-established between GS and Vox .. that at the first sign of breakdown on Bob, we, Vox, with GS' help would have pushed for land settlement on the NE corner of Bob. This would be done in alliance with GS for an exchange of Estonian land.

This is similar to the potential situation prior to the war, and as I was suggesting above, the other obvious what-if. And in retrospect, maybe what Vox should have done.

So you're saying Vox and GS would have sided with Roleplay to blackmail GoW into giving its land away or they would have just taken it in conquest? Interesting how Beta keeps bringing up that Vox views GoW as its mortal enemy........................

Master Zen · September 19, 2003, 19:24

What if...

Vox and GS had started in the other's position?

Master Zen · September 19, 2003, 19:26

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Originally posted by GhengisFarb
Interesting how Beta keeps bringing up that Vox views GoW as its mortal enemy........................

Ah, don't you just love being the bad boys of the ptwdg?

Shiber · September 19, 2003, 19:43

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Originally posted by Master Zen
What if...

Vox and GS had started in the other's position?

Then we would probably be the ones holding off contact with the Bobian civs from Vox and not the other way around, and Lux may well still have been alive.

GhengisFarb™ · September 19, 2003, 21:08

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Originally posted by Shiber
and Lux may well still have been alive.

Interesting point.

Its wrong, but interesting.

Theseus · September 19, 2003, 21:10

What if:

Lego or GS had started where Lux did?

So much for building...

UnOrthOdOx · September 19, 2003, 22:43

What if GS and Vox actually worked TOGETHER to invade Bob?

What if Lego did more than sit on their A$$ the whole game?

GhengisFarb™ · September 19, 2003, 23:29

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Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
What if Lego did more than sit on their A$$ the whole game?

That might tip Lego into siding with GS..............

Tassadar500 · September 20, 2003, 00:23

Uno do you really want to say that?

Master Zen · September 20, 2003, 00:47

What If...

Peter Jackson actually released a pic of the Mouth of Sauron so I could actually have a real LOTR avatar?

Rhothaerill · September 20, 2003, 01:33

What If...

The fictional UnOrthOdOx in Trappings had died in his first battle? Would another UnO take his place?

Jon Shafer · September 20, 2003, 01:38

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Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
What if Lego did more than sit on their A$$ the whole game?

What if anyone got Lego's position, I wonder how they would be doing right now...

Donegeal · September 20, 2003, 02:27

Here is a simple one:

What if Lux had a source of horses? In the long run, it is this simple little thing that sealed their downfall.

notyoueither · September 20, 2003, 04:47

If the dog did not stop to take a ****, would he have caught the rabbit?

Harovan · September 20, 2003, 08:04

Hätt' der Hund nicht geschissen, hätt' er'n Hasen gekriegt?

Has this saying really an English pendant?

OliverFA · September 20, 2003, 08:21

What if:

When Vox settled on Bob and GoW asked them to leave, Vox has showed an screenshot of the relative placement of this new city with respect to their capital? This would have shown that the new city was not so far from Vox starting point, and maybe convince some other nations to support Vox's claims.

Donegeal · September 20, 2003, 08:43

Nope. Only natural Bob teams on Bob. It wouldn't have mattered how close Vox was...

GhengisFarb™ · September 20, 2003, 09:20

1) What if Vox had pressed the issue and gone to war with GoW?

2) Would GS have sided with Vox?

3) Would Roleplay have honored any agreements to actually SHOW UP and fight for either side?

I think I already know the answer to #3..........

ZargonX · September 20, 2003, 09:58

I think everyone is ignoring an obvious one...

-What if Vox had let Lux survive?

GhengisFarb™ · September 20, 2003, 10:02

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Originally posted by ZargonX
I think everyone is ignoring an obvious one...

-What if Vox had let Lux survive?

I don't think Lux could have survived. If not Vox, GS or ND would have killed them eventually.

Beta · September 20, 2003, 11:50

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Originally posted by ZargonX
I think everyone is ignoring an obvious one...

-What if Vox had let Lux survive?

Wasn't ignoring it. Just hoping no one would bring it up and send me spiralling back down into that pit of guilt-ridden depression ... or something like that.

Actually - it would be interesting. As Lux probably would've ended up where Vox is now, so that if things wnet pretty much as they did after that, Vox would not have had any place to settle, and we would probably be the ones gone from the game.

Unless of course, RP offered up a small chunk of that abundant and resource rich supply of land they have - er - had.

GhengisFarb™ · September 20, 2003, 13:03

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Originally posted by Beta
Unless of course, RP offered up a small chunk of that abundant and resource rich supply of land they have - er - had.

If RP hadn't committed itself to hoarding all that land and resources it would be a far different game.

Another big what if: what if I hadn't been GoW's first leader?

They would have been in a far better position and had lot more units and resources. Probably would have changed the entire power structure of the game for GoW's benefit. I'm willing to admit I screwed a lot of stuff up for my team with bad decisions on my part.

Master Zen · September 20, 2003, 13:13

What if: GoW and ND didn't have their UUs at the same time?

UnOrthOdOx · September 20, 2003, 13:58

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Originally posted by Rhothaerill
What If...

The fictional UnOrthOdOx in Trappings had died in his first battle? Would another UnO take his place?

Absolutely not.

I do have one surviving son however...

UnOrthOdOx · September 20, 2003, 14:08

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Originally posted by Trip

What if anyone got Lego's position, I wonder how they would be doing right now...

I would have probably lost interest and quit by now if we had started there.

It was the perfect start for lego, I agree and am glad they had it to give them the opportunity to play their said role at the beginning.

What if I didn't have a stressing RL and had committed to handling all negotiations with GS from the beginning of the game...

What if Lux had accepted GoW's proposal instead of Vox's? That would be interesting...

What if Lux hadn't played scorched earth?

What if Lux had connected the Iron?

GhengisFarb™ · September 20, 2003, 14:22

What if PTW had been so buggy we couldn't play the game?

Remember when the game crashed? What if we hadn't found a way to get around it?

Just think, we get to start all over with Conquests and a whole new army of bugs.....................

notyoueither · September 20, 2003, 15:48

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Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Hätt' der Hund nicht geschissen, hätt' er'n Hasen gekriegt?

Has this saying really an English pendant?

I'm not sure, Babel Fish doesn't translate it very well. Something about dogs, **** and hares though, so quite likely related.