September 20, 2003, 08:26
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Area 51 aka Groom Lake to remain secret
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Document extends secrecy on Area 51 in southern Nevada
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CARSON CITY, Nev. (AP) - Invoking national security, President Bush has renewed an exemption allowing the Air Force to keep mum about its top-secret operations at Groom Lake, also known as Area 51, in southern Nevada.
Bush signed a memorandum on Tuesday declaring it of "paramount interest" to exempt the base from disclosing classified information.
President Clinton first issued the exemption in 1995 in response to two lawsuits filed by injured workers in Nevada seeking information about the military's environmental practices at the site. It has been renewed yearly.
In renewing the order, Bush also cited the Nevada suits brought by injured workers and Helen Frost and Stella Kasza, widows of two men who worked at the military base.
In their 1994 lawsuits, Frost and Kasza alleged that their husbands were exposed to hazardous and toxic materials while working at Groom Lake, which sits along a dry lake bed in Lincoln County, about 90 miles north of Las Vegas. The area is in a no-fly zone and closed to the public.
Attorney Jonathan Turley, who represents the families, said the presidential directive keeps secret documents and testimony that he believes would link Area 51 to the men's deaths.
"It is baffling to see the government continue to cover up what went on at Area 51," said Turley, who is also a George Washington University law professor. "It is clear that there were criminal crimes and that government officials continue to resist any disclosure that would confirm such criminal content."
The 1-page memo exempts the Air Force from following federal, state or local solid waste and hazardous waste laws if classified information would be disclosed.
The government has acknowledged the existence of the Groom Lake installation but has not disclosed what it does at the facility.
The secrecy has fueled speculation about UFOs, aliens and other strange occurrences around Area 51. Residents of the nearby town of Rachel say the UFO talk began years ago when a Nevada Test Site worker claimed he saw alien ships there.
Word got around and the stories haven't stopped. Even the state got in on the UFO lore, officially naming a 98-mile stretch of state Route 375, which runs through Rachel, the Extraterrestrial Highway in 1996 and erecting green highway signs with images of spaceships.
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September 20, 2003, 09:25
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So the government's screwing the citizens. What else is new?
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September 20, 2003, 09:28
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Criminal crimes? 
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September 20, 2003, 09:28
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It is clear that there were criminal crimes
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Are there any other kind?
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September 20, 2003, 09:29
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Great minds think alike, eh BeBro?
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September 20, 2003, 09:29
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September 20, 2003, 09:46
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What Clinton did is a perfect example of why we cannot trust national security to the Democrats. He exempts the top secret status thereby jeopardizing national security just to please a lawsuit.
Bush gets it! 
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September 20, 2003, 09:51
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Eh? Isn't Bush just renewing what Clinton started, or did I miss something?
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September 20, 2003, 09:53
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You're doubly right, Laz. Bush is just renewed what Clinton started.
And, you missed that "the diplomat" is an uber-partisan ninny.
EDIT: And I am a grammatically incorrect ninny.
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Last edited by Guynemer; September 20, 2003 at 10:05.
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September 20, 2003, 10:02
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Originally posted by Guynemer
You're doubly right, Laz. Bush is just renewed what Clinton started.
And, you missed that "the diplomat" is an uber-partisan ninny.
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Ok, I misread it. But my conclusion still holds. Bush gets it when it comes to national security.
I am not a "uber-partisan ninny". But I do have political convictions. Nothing wrong with that!
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G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"
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September 20, 2003, 10:10
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Everybody point and laugh at The Diplomat. Ha ha ha!
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September 20, 2003, 10:28
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September 20, 2003, 11:15
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September 20, 2003, 11:29
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September 20, 2003, 12:08
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September 20, 2003, 13:30
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September 20, 2003, 13:41
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Later amendments to the Constitution don't supersede earlier amendments - GePap
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September 20, 2003, 13:43
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September 20, 2003, 13:46
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September 20, 2003, 13:52
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September 20, 2003, 13:58
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September 20, 2003, 14:22
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Siro, now a conspiracy theorist? 
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September 21, 2003, 00:01
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I am not a "uber-partisan ninny".
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September 21, 2003, 00:07
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Who am I supposed to be laughing at?
Anyway, I knew that Bush wouldn't open up Area 51 the minute I saw how those aliens endorsed him in the 2000 campaign right on the cover of the Weekly World News!
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September 21, 2003, 00:07
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(whispers to etch: when you see consecutive posts with same content, theres like an unwritten rule to not break the streak  )
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September 21, 2003, 00:46
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September 21, 2003, 00:49
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Okay, that's more than enough. Now we're just being cruel.
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September 21, 2003, 00:50
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September 21, 2003, 00:54
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Stop it.
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Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
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September 21, 2003, 01:22
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