The Commission for Worker Unity

Octavian X · October 2, 2003, 23:27

Note: This is an ACPSG organization, most comprable to a political party.

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Even though the Unity has not landed, important followers of Sheng-Ji Yang have begun to form their own bloc of members of The Party, with it's own ideals. The recent delcaration of the Avestite Manifesto has, though, catapulted some into the formation of their own organization.

This organization, the Comission for Worker Unity, has centered it's ideals around the central idea that all glourious workers of Planet should be united under one great banner, for the advancement of humankind.

Their ideals:

~ Unity amongst all oppressed workers of the other factions of Planet, whether it be by peaceful unification, or forced freedom from oppressive regimes.

~ Complete freedom for the working class, united under the glourious Hiverian government. This includes allowing the workers to have whatever freedoms they chose, even if it means partial democracy, or state-sponsered (and controlled) religion.

~ Planet shall be a worker's Utopia, and as such all it's resources should be exploited to achieve this goal. They should only be maintained to such a point to ensure that they are available for the use of future generations.

~ War places the great workers of the Hive at great risk. It should be used only as a last resort in the glourious campaign for supreme unity among workers.

~ While the individual is entitled to his own rights, the needs and expectations of the group as a whole are transendant to the will of the one. Alone, a man can accomplish little. With others, a man can work miracles.

~ Devoution to the goals of Comrade Marx. We aim to, one day, become the Utopia that Marx imagined oh so long ago.

Freedom from oppression! Glory to the workers, and their Hive!

Drogue · October 3, 2003, 10:13

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Originally posted by Octavian X
~ Complete freedom for the working class

Freedom

The working class need to understand that subservance to those in charge is in their best interest. The Glory of the Hive is far more important than any silly notion of 'freedom'. Are you sure you have mistake the Great Hive Council for the United Nations Government?

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Originally posted by Octavian X
This includes allowing the workers to have whatever freedoms they chose, even if it means partial democracy, or state-sponsered (and controlled) religion.

Comrade Octavian, are you aware of what you are proposing? A candidate for General Secretary espousing democracy

Perhaps a visit from Inspector Comrade Hercules is needed?

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Originally posted by Octavian X
~ War places the great workers of the Hive at great risk. It should be used only as a last resort in the glourious campaign for supreme unity among workers.

War is necessary to unite all factions under the Glory of the Hive. Force is the only way to bring about the total and unconditional capitulation of all others to the Glorious Chairman and leadership of our great faction. Moreover, it provides jobs, both as soldiers and workers, for those who are in need of employment. Yet you claim war damages the workers? Look to the long term, the liberation of all other factions in the name of our Glorious Chairman is more important than the short term conditions of those who fight for us.

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Originally posted by Octavian X
~ While the individual is entitled to his own rights, the needs and expectations of the group as a whole are transendant to the will of the one. Alone, a man can accomplish little. With others, a man can work miracles.

Finally the Comrade comes to his sense

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Originally posted by Octavian X
Freedom from oppression! Glory to the workers, and their Hive!

Glory to the Hive, Glory to the Chairman - All other objectives take away from the need of the Hive.

Edit: Obviously all in character... See my upcoming thread in my party

I mean no disrespect to Comrade Octavian

Hercules · October 3, 2003, 10:24

Inspector Hercules Headsov. looks at building plans of OctavianX's restaurant to which section isn't already bugged.

Voltaire · October 3, 2003, 17:29

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Glory to the Hive, Glory to the Chairman - All other objectives take away from the need of the Hive.

Comrade Drogue you threat on dangerous ground, your words ring closer to statism than to the true ideals of communism. Glory to the People! Glory to the Party! Those should be words coming from your mouth, not this statist garbage. For shame.

Comrade Voltaire
Open Letter to Comrade Drogue, PRAVDA

Drogue · October 3, 2003, 20:04

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Originally posted by Voltaire
Comrade Drogue you threat on dangerous ground, your words ring closer to statism than to the true ideals of communism.

Comrade Voltaire, you do realise that the natural ideal of the party is Police State and not Planned. Therefore espousing the silly notion of 'freedom' and even 'democracy' goes against our factional ethos far more than if I were to espouse the notion of a free market. Label what I say as what you will, but we are a Police State, not a workers paradise. We are the Hive no the Drones. Therefore our goal should be the Glory of the Hive, as a whole, rather than the workforce. And as Comrade Inspector Hercules has said, our Glorious Chairman/Secretary should be praised at every opportunity.

We are a Police State ideal, not necessarily Communist, although that seems to fit better with the Police State.

OOC: Where does this notion of the Hive being Communist above all else come from? The game is quite clear that it is a Police State ideal, opposed to democracy (thus not being able to choose it), and mentions little of an economic system. Subordination of the masses is what the Hive is, especially when there is another faction, the Drones, who are there to be a workers paradise. /OOC

Octavian X · October 3, 2003, 22:19

OOC: I've always thought that our communist ideals were a front for our brutal oppresion of the masses.

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Comrade Drogue, surely you are not disputing that the glourious goal of the Hive is the formation of a perfect communist society? Our goal, one day, is to do away with this useless organization known as 'government' so that we may all live in a communal society. From each, according to his abilities! To each, according to his needs!

It is our great campaign to create a perfect world, where each may live according to his will! Granted, some exetreme measures are needed today. However, this is all toward building a society, one where all may live in peace.

We are to not to opress a man, forcing him to risk his life in battle. All, if allowed to live the natural course of their lives, will be more valuable to the collective , functioning to help all of society into their old age.

Above all, the rights of the individual are to be respected. Though he is subordinate to transecendant goals of the group, he is entitiled to his own attempts to find happiness, and the have a voice in deciding the goals of all.

Nubclear · October 3, 2003, 22:27

Comrade Drogue is a counter-revolutionary in disguise!!!! AS IS MANIAC!!!

DEATH TO THEM!!!!

Octavian X · October 3, 2003, 23:31

Now, now, Comrade Tassadar. There is no need to be hasty. Even if their views seem, ehem, drastic, both Comrade Maniac and Comrade Drogue will prove productive members of the society despite those thoughts.

~~Of course, they'll need more nerve stapling than others....~~

Voltaire · October 4, 2003, 03:49

Comrades! ... quite a lot has been said about the cult of the individual and about its harmful consequences. From Stalin, to most so called communist leaders of the 20th century, we MUST not repeat the same mistakes here on Planet!

Comrade Drogue proposes outright dictatorship, oppression of the people, an abandonment of Marxist-Leninist principles. He renounces what the Party speaks for, and speaks against the very foundation of the Party… the People! We must not, cannot, and will not tolerate this!

Comrade Voltaire
Speech to Party Congress, PRAVDA

Nubclear · October 4, 2003, 03:57

Comrade Voltaire is correct. Capitalism is dictatorialism, and capitalism infested the communist regiemes of the past.
We must never let capitalism enter our society. The peoples shall tolerate these counter-revolutionary comments for now, but re-educate yourself lest the people re-educate you.

Drogue · October 4, 2003, 15:22

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Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
Comrade Drogue is a counter-revolutionary in disguise!!!! AS IS MANIAC!!!

DEATH TO THEM!!!!

Your just bitter cause Maniac has more of the popular support than you have

Nubclear · October 4, 2003, 15:44

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Originally posted by Drogue

Your just bitter cause Maniac has more of the popular support than you have

We shall soon see....

Hercules · October 4, 2003, 15:52

Inspector H Headsov welcomes a flood of new recruits to the Secret police. Its the safest place (in the short term).

Re debate: This from source,

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This faction (Hive) is ruled under harsh collective/authoritarian principles. (my emphasis). The good of the individual is totally subordinate to the state. They are isolationist and militaristic.

This is no socialist/communism utopia, this is Stalinism.

I like populism: it is a useful clue as to who is a threat to the leader and I like over the top adoration (that's an even better clue).

Join the secret police (make corrupt~~ion~~ers pay).

Voltaire · October 4, 2003, 19:05

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This is no socialist/communism utopia, this is Stalinism.

Yes, but you're not suppose to say that.

Hercules · October 4, 2003, 20:41

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Yes, but you're not suppose to say that.

The Secret Police (NPSDKHDS) are not known for their subtlety. In fact we're not known at all.

jtsisyoda · October 4, 2003, 21:22

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Originally posted by Hercules

The Secret Police (NPSDKHDS) are not known for their subtlety. In fact we're not known at all.

And what does NPSDKHDS stand for?

Nubclear · October 4, 2003, 22:36

What?

I don't know what in Lenins name your talking about. Maybe you need a trip to the enlightenment room?

GeneralTacticus · October 5, 2003, 04:54

Can somebody please explain to me where exactly this ridiculous idea of the Hive bein foudned upon Marxism and Leninism came from? Quite apart from their questionable performance in application, neither Marxism, nor Leninism, nor Maoism are applicable upon this new world, for all were based upon the concept of revolution within an existing societies, while here, no former society exists. We must create new theories of our own for development in this changed situation, rather than slavishly following the theories of old.

Drogue · October 5, 2003, 08:30

Well said GT.

Voltaire · October 5, 2003, 16:10

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Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
Can somebody please explain to me where exactly this ridiculous idea of the Hive bein foudned upon Marxism and Leninism came from? Quite apart from their questionable performance in application, neither Marxism, nor Leninism, nor Maoism are applicable upon this new world, for all were based upon the concept of revolution within an existing societies, while here, no former society exists. We must create new theories of our own for development in this changed situation, rather than slavishly following the theories of old.

Fine let us see you come up with something new AND original.

Nubclear · October 5, 2003, 17:59

So many counter-revolutionaries...It's very difficult to keep up

Octavian X · October 5, 2003, 22:49

We never said that ALL our ideas were based on Marxism. We're just going for the whole Utopian society thing.

Drogue · October 6, 2003, 06:56

No, but many people seem to assume that the Hive is Communist. It isn't. If it was, Planned would be it's ideal, which it isn't. The Hive is no more communist than the Peacekeepers, that is, it does not mention economic systems in their faction ideologies. We have a free choice of the 3.

Octavian X · October 6, 2003, 19:56

I'll agree with you there, Drogue. Police state politics are a bit different from attmepting to create a perfect paradise.

Still, we will use our own Marxist ideas to play this game, whether or not Yang liked them or not.

And, to this group's supporters... Feel free to tell me whether or not you'll be supporting us. It kind of feels lonely on this commission...

Drogue · October 7, 2003, 06:39

Exactly what a Party is for, arguing for it's own view.

And you know the place to go when you feel lonely... here.

Octavian X · October 29, 2003, 20:27

The Commisson for Worker Unity is pleased to announce that it's own publication, the [i]Plebian Tribune[/b], shall be made available to the public in the coming weeks. All those who wish to publish artices, opinions, or even just silly ancedotes are asked to PM to Comrade Octavian X.