My (not really secret) project ;-)... - Page 2

Prometeus · July 13, 2000, 18:32

117 AD? Anno Domini?

To St Leo
The mail is on your tracks, check out and let me know what you thin about...

BeBro · July 14, 2000, 00:03

Ok, the first idea...

S P Q R

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Sloth · July 14, 2000, 04:46

BeBro, I found a site that could be of interest for your techtree. http://www.unc.edu/courses/rometech/...s/art_set.html
Anyway I plan to do some "homework"

during the week-end: if I find something interesting I let you know.

BeBro · July 14, 2000, 08:28

A very good site, Sloth!

Some more of these kind of homework would be great...

Stefan Härtel · July 14, 2000, 09:17

P.S.: 386 is a very good date also for Greece. It was the year of the royal peace, which allows you to have Sparta as the most important state of Greece, and Persia isjust about to become powerful again (I have just read a lot about this situation: in a scenario like this, you now have a good excuse for not having such an important Greece). I will send you a map of this time along with the long-promised map of Hanno's voyage later on.

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Stefan Härtel · July 14, 2000, 14:08

quote:

Die Heiligtümer von Karthago waren zahlreich und berühmt. Was wir von ihnen wissen, zeigt, daß ihre Architektur sehr vielfältig war und daß ihr Aussehen sich im Lauf der Zeiten stark änderte (...)
Wenn sogar die von Natur aus traditionsgebundene, religiöse Architektur dem griechischen Einfluß unterlag, konnten die profanen Bauwerke sich dieser Mode naturgemäß noch weniger entziehen. Gelegentlich entbehren diese Bauten nicht einer gewissen Großartigkeit. Wir brauchen nur an die von Säulen flankierten Loggien des Kriegshafens zu denken.

Give me one night, and tomorrow I'll tell you all this and much more by heart (in English)

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Prometeus · July 14, 2000, 17:59

Huh, how unpolite i am, i forgot to tell you, BeBro

...
I made a ripoff for my "Antigonus" scenario project, depicting a Macedonian phalanx ( quite different from hellenistic one - this time i'm sure the file's uncorrupted still ).
If you need, my e-mail is here.

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BeBro · July 14, 2000, 18:28

Thanks for the info, Stefan! A good part of the cities is now finished.

Prometeus, what game was the source for this phalanx ripoff?

My Macedonians look currently like Greek Hoplites, but with the long Sarissa. I also have Hetaroi and Hypaspists, but I´m not sure, if they have the right look, because my sources were sometimes...err...more than bad.

It would be nice if I could mail the my units.gif to you and/or Stefan to get some feedback before I release the scn. But I would do this only if the release date is nearby, so this would be not so soon...If you agree.
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Prometeus · July 14, 2000, 19:32

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Originally posted by BeBro on 07-14-2000 06:28 PM
Prometeus, what game was the source for this phalanx ripoff?

My Macedonians look currently like Greek Hoplites, but with the long Sarissa. I also have Hetaroi and Hypaspists, but I´m not sure, if they have the right look, because my sources were sometimes...err...more than bad.

Ok i'll send you the file tomorrow 15 Apolyton time.
BTW i snapped it from TV, not from a game.

An electroengeneer testing a weird program helped me to snap them...

Ah, i forget: sure, why not?

DarthVeda · July 14, 2000, 20:22

quote:

Originally posted by St Leo on 07-14-2000 12:00 PM
386? You guys need an Athlon.

Ah ha! I have an Athlon 650, 256MB SDRAM, 40GB hard drive space, GeForce2 GTS 32MB Video accelerator, 19" monitor, Badass color printer, and a 48x cdrom... wish I had DVD and a zip drive, then my system would be complete.

St Leo · July 14, 2000, 20:52

BTW, I´m currently changing the city styles.

Isometric?

Ah ha! I have an Athlon 650, 256MB SDRAM, 40GB hard drive space, GeForce2 GTS 32MB Video accelerator, 19" monitor, Badass color printer, and a 48x cdrom... wish I had DVD and a zip drive, then my system would be complete.

Oh ho! I have a Pentium 166, 96MB SDRAM, 4.2GB hard drive space, ATI Mach64 1MB Video something, 17" (15.4" viewable) monitor, Decent colour printer, and a 50x cdrom...

Shadowstrike · July 14, 2000, 22:00

BeBro, do you really want to start in 386 B.C. You miss out on the Gallic invasion of 390 B.C. (might be interesting, having the player in a tight spot right from the start) in which Rome faced anihilation at the hands of the invading Gauls.

St Leo · July 15, 2000, 00:00

386? You guys need an Athlon.

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BeBro · July 15, 2000, 00:20

Thanks, Stefan, take your time.

BTW, I´m currently changing the city styles.
Has someone an idea about the look of Carthagian/Phoenicean cities? Similar to the Greek/Roman (for instance do they use the same type of temples that are known from the Greeks)?

St.Leo, Athlon sounds like a Greek general...and Pentium like a Roman

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Stefan Härtel · July 15, 2000, 04:53

quote:

BeBro, do you really want to start in 386 B.C. You miss out on the Gallic
invasion of 390 B.C.

That was the point why I suggested that. You see, if it was covered, the Gauls had to conquer Rome, which would be kinda stupid. 386 BC is a good date for the begin of Rome's expansion.

BeBro: Please send me your units!

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BeBro · July 15, 2000, 06:16

St.Leo: Isometric? Not really...

DarthVeda: An Athlon 650 isn´t enough for Imperium Romanum 2.0, you need 1 GHz...

Shadowstrike: Yes, 386BC is definately the start year. This is also a good reason to start only with a few improvements in Rome, because the rest had been destroyed by the Gauls.

Stefan, I´ll mail you the units within the next two weeks (Currently, ca. 75% are finished), ok?

I´ve lots of history books, some of them are really excellent, but only a few of them have good pics of ancient warriors (mostly Greeks and Romans, but no Macedonians or Persians and so on)...
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July 15, 2000, 08:25

WOW the screenshot looks really great!!

this seems to become at least as good as Cross&Crescent. At least one scenario creator who manages it to make good scenarios. most of the new ones suck.
as the Apolyton Scenario does. sorry, WarVoid, but I expected more than that.

Bernde: Will you make an English version or will I have to translate this, too?

Prometeus · July 15, 2000, 14:59

Ok BeBro i've sended you the e-mail; hope this i'll help you in your efforts. Please don't remove my first letters ( the GD ones ) from pics...

Best regards

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BeBro · July 15, 2000, 15:16

Thanks Prometeus, I received your pic. Nice!

But I wouldn´t use your units directly, but use them as a help to create my own units. Creating graphics (especially units) is, in my eyes, the most fun in the entire scenario making for me...

I hope this doesn´t disappoint you?

Andz, your help is welcome...aber wir haben noch genug Zeit!

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Prometeus · July 15, 2000, 16:01

Glad i could help you, BeBro.

Huh i forgot to tell you... i buy a scanner today. Great!!! I payed only 101 €, a very low price here in Italy.

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Stefan Härtel · July 15, 2000, 16:41

quote:

I´ve lots of history books, some of them are really excellent, but only a few
of them have good pics of ancient warriors (mostly Greeks and Romans, but
no Macedonians or Persians and so on)...

Yes, it's damn hard to find Macedonian and Persian pictures. Thing is that the Macedonians (especially under Alexander) did not really have any purpose for making pictures of themselves.
It is easier to find Persian ones though. The Greek vases aren't so reliable -they show only ones in northern Iranian horsemen's clothing- and the Persian bas-reliefs show the persian soldiers only in their ceremonial dress (ever noticed that the Persians have never pictured themselves in battle?)- but we have extensive Hellenic descriptions about the look of Persian soldiers. They are also very, very reliable, because they often match with the stuff shown on Persian bas-reliefs.

BTW, any books you can recommend me?

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Prometeus · July 15, 2000, 16:54

Ok Stefan, just tell me if my newly buyed scanner works good or not...

The pic is early macedonian phalanx ( Philippus II 's times, at Cheronea's battle ).

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BeBro · July 15, 2000, 17:30

Stefan, for general info about ancient history I use two books by H.Bengtson:
1. "Griechische Geschichte"
2. "Römische Geschichte - von den Anfängen bis in die Kaiserzeit"
They are very good to get an overview about Greek/Roman history. However, they don´t offer many technical details I need for creating units and they are without pics.
For such details like units, buildings, ships and so on I use a "Lexikon der Antike" (different authors). This book is great, with many b/w illustrations and a few photos and lots of A-Z topics about ancient history, but unfortenately also mostly about Greek/Roman things.
The same goes for A.Neuburgers "Die Technik des Altertums" (A reprint from 1919...deshalb teilweise etwas merkwürdig formuliert, für unsere Verhältnisse).
I also use three or four Pic Atlases, most of them have only poor info, but good pics and maps.

For my units: all my Persian units (for instance the second unit from the left in the preview) are created with the help of Hollywood. I´ve seen an old movie about Alex the Great, with Richard Burton as Alexander, (the movie wasn´t really good, but it had nice costumes) and another (bad) movie about Persians...

Stefan Härtel · July 15, 2000, 18:20

Is that "Lexikon der Antike" that one from the DDR? It's really good and helped me a lot (a bit outdated, though).

I have seen that Alexander movie. I thought that it was a treat for the eye, but inaccurate. And too much time spent in Greece and too little in Central Asia

Was that other Persian movie that French-Italian coproduction that was supposed to be about the battle at Marathon? I shoutet out in pain when I saw it! Not only was it terribly made, but also definately not about Marathon! (They did not even have the famous Marathon Run in it-or was that supposed to be the horse ride from Athens to Sparta?)

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Prometeus · July 15, 2000, 18:56

Hy Stefan got my phalanx pic?

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BeBro · July 16, 2000, 07:05

Stefan, yes it´s the same Lexikon.

I also see this Marathon "movie" (arrgh!), but I mean another one. It plays only in Persia and goes mainly about Xerxes and his jewish (?) wife. This movie wasn´t as bad as the Marathon thing, but bad enough!

Ok, now it´s time for me to do some work on the scn...

St Leo · July 16, 2000, 09:30

BTW, Erwan was in the process of making a Byzantine city graphic a couple of months ago. He showed me what he had done and it kicked posterior, but I guess he never got around to fully finishing it.

Erwan
Erwan's Site

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Stefan Härtel · July 16, 2000, 09:48

I have uploaded some pictures: The maps I had promised you, BeBro, and some Persians that were painted on Greek vases (and a picture I have found in some computer game).

BeBro: Was the movie about Xerxes called "Das Schwert von Persien" or "Esther"? I have seen the latter and must say that it isn't that bad... compared to other Bible movies I have seen this one was the best

Prometeus: Yes, I got it. Thank you very much!

Oops, almost forgot: Here are the URL's (Free to pick up for anyone): http://members.xoom.com/SHaertel/Karten.zip http://members.xoom.com/SHaertel/Perser.zip

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BeBro · July 16, 2000, 15:30

Thanks for pics and map, Stefan, especially the map is great!

I don´t remember the exact title of the Persia movie, but I think that was the one you mean. BTW, today I saw that Carthago TV thing, it hadn´t much new facts for me, but the animation of Carthage´s seaport (including the Big Arsenal, Prometeus

) was very inspirating.

St.Leo, I know Erwan´s site (and his great graphics), but a Byzantine city style isn´t what I need...

Prometeus · July 16, 2000, 16:06

Glad i could help you, Stefan...

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