October 9, 2003, 17:29
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Miniature Web Servers
Does anybody know of any miniature and cheap internet servers available for sale? I'm hoping to set one up on my cable modem. It should be very easy to maintain, be able to serve several domains and include:
1) php;
2) MySQL;
3) Mail;
4) Telnet/ssh; and
5) At least a half gigabyte of storage.
Open for any suggestions. I would prefer something Linux-based. Microcontrollers are fine.
Since I've got a dynamic IP on my cable modem, I hoped to have a managed DNS service point to my IP (such as dnsmanaged). Any experience on that would also be appreciated.
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October 9, 2003, 17:37
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You mean something like this 
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October 9, 2003, 17:42
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October 9, 2003, 17:55
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Hey, that's pretty cool, laurentius. You could hook that sucker up to do remote sensing, if it could run chron jobs. 
Alas, it doesn't have enough storage for my needs right now, nor does it have appear to have the muscle to do php orr MySQL.
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I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
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October 9, 2003, 18:37
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Just get a cheap PC
load it up with Linux and PHP and mySQL and you are set. However, if you loading with mySQL, then you may want to spring for extra RAM.
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October 9, 2003, 21:16
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Too expensive and too large. I'm looking for something that can be inconspicuous in my entertainment center and is a favorable comparison the $20/month plans that hosting services have.
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I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
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October 9, 2003, 21:18
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Re: Miniature Web Servers
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Originally posted by DanS
Does anybody know of any miniature and cheap internet servers available for sale? I'm hoping to set one up on my cable modem. It should be very easy to maintain, be able to serve several domains and include:
1) php;
2) MySQL;
3) Mail;
4) Telnet/ssh; and
5) At least a half gigabyte of storage.
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/me has all of this running off of his home WinXP box.
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October 9, 2003, 22:14
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I need to offload this task onto another processor. If I didn't need to, I would do as you say.
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I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
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October 9, 2003, 22:53
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How small?
EDIT: Forget it, too expensive.
Maybe this instead?
http://www.lacc.com/lacc/datasheets/.../P4533AABA.HTM
Scroll to the bottom of the list
the HP SA1100 Web Hosting Appliance
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October 10, 2003, 02:25
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Re: Miniature Web Servers
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It should be very easy to maintain, be able to serve several domains and include:
1) php;
2) MySQL;
3) Mail;
4) Telnet/ssh; and
5) At least a half gigabyte of storage.
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You are missing Apache and probably Squid.  I would also recommend not having telnet/ssh and do the admin from console.
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Open for any suggestions. I would prefer something Linux-based. Microcontrollers are fine.
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Microcontrollers don't do this very well.
Depends on usage, you probably don't need a fast CPU, but you do need quite a bit of main memory. A RAID would be ideal if you need to do lots of database stuff.
There are some ready made Web servers out there, but the ones I know of runs only http servers out of the box. Your best choice is again building your own.
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Since I've got a dynamic IP on my cable modem, I hoped to have a managed DNS service point to my IP (such as dnsmanaged). Any experience on that would also be appreciated.
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Dynamic DNS services are workable, but they aren't as good as having a static IP.
BTW, if you want to put a server up, you should protect the rest of your network at the same place with a firewall.
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October 10, 2003, 02:54
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dans is starting a porn site
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October 10, 2003, 07:42
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you could convert an older computer with a few upgrades, and just load the software on to it.
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October 10, 2003, 07:47
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Your best bet is probably something like a Cobalt Qube or just putting together a SFF PC. Some of those are even designed to look right in an A/V rack.
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October 10, 2003, 10:02
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You are missing Apache and probably Squid.
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UR: Apache is assumed in most configurations. But what's Squid?
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Microcontrollers don't do this very well.
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What's wrong with them?
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Depends on usage, you probably don't need a fast CPU, but you do need quite a bit of main memory. A RAID would be ideal if you need to do lots of database stuff.
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These are low volume sites that I'm talking about. Is this stuff necessary?
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Dynamic DNS services are workable, but they aren't as good as having a static IP.
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I totally agree, but money is a parameter here. If dynyamic IP wouldn't go well with DNS management, then I'll have to rethink it all.
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Yes, it's looking that way, but it's still not looking rather expensive. Are there any tricks to doing a bare minimum of maintenance (or none at all)? Let's say a linux distro that has all of this set up. My time is valuable to me in a way.
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I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
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October 10, 2003, 10:53
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UR: Apache is assumed in most configurations. But what's Squid?
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Squid is a proxy server.
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What's wrong with them?
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Microcontrollers are not designed for this kind of tasks. They are either a single chip or a small board, with a limited amount of memory, and very limited I/O capabilities. Certainly they don't get to access HDD for data and instructions.
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These are low volume sites that I'm talking about. Is this stuff necessary?
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Any estimates? Anyway, you need at least 512MB memory to run all those servers.
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I totally agree, but money is a parameter here. If dynyamic IP wouldn't go well with DNS management, then I'll have to rethink it all.
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My experience with dynamic DNS is very limited, so I can't tell if it works well with the somewhat extensive setup you are envisioning.
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Yes, it's looking that way, but it's still not looking rather expensive. Are there any tricks to doing a bare minimum of maintenance (or none at all)? Let's say a linux distro that has all of this set up. My time is valuable to me in a way.
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Yes, Linux or one of the other OpenSource OS'es is your best choice. RedHat 9 has all the services you are looking for, though it's a bit big. I reckon one can always remove all unnecessary services (e.g. use text concole, not X Windows) and recompile the kernel to optimise it.
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October 14, 2003, 17:32
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OK, I've done some research. Most of the small stuff is expensive, though. Here's a barebones mini-itx motherboard (17 cm x 17 cm) for $120 (integrated VIA @ 1 GHz)...
http://store.ituner.com/ituner/ep10ne.html
Then there's the new VIA nano-itx motherboard (12 cm x 12 cm) for an unknown price (integrated VIA @ 1 GHz)...
http://www.mini-itx.com/news/computex2003-1/
Then there are 3.5" Single Board Computers. Here's a Kontron motherboard (10 cm x 15 cm) for an unknown price (integrated Pentium M @ 1.1 GHz or 1.6 GHz)...
http://www.kontron.com/products/pdpr...kps=1081&kp=75
Cases are pretty hard to find for these motherboards.
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October 15, 2003, 11:32
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Here's a mini-itx set-up, including 800 MHz VIA, 256 MB SDRAM, CD-ROM and 20 GB hard drive that would cost about $500.
http://www.caseoutlet.com/NWPc/Mini-...c136.html#A800
Comes in at 7" x 2" x 10". Not bad.
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October 17, 2003, 13:05
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How many visitors do you expect to have?
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October 17, 2003, 14:33
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Can you double the RAM? mySQL is real dog if it doesn't have plenty of RAM.
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