If you could add one new improvement to Civ3... - Page 2

WarpStorm · October 13, 2003, 19:31

Event scripting.

G'Kar · October 13, 2003, 20:49

A satellite small wonder (or a set of city improvements) that allows global monitoring of enemy troop positions.

The_Aussie_Lurker · October 13, 2003, 21:02

You've gotten your wish, Defcon!! In C3:C, Sattelites tech will now reveal the world map!! That will allow you to easily monitor your enemies troop movements!!

Yours,
The_Aussie_Lurker

Solomwi · October 13, 2003, 21:45

Lurker, will it give the capability of removing any fog of war or just remove the black overlay from previously undiscovered tiles?

I would like a small wonder or improvement set that gave you the ability to take, say, one "satellite photograph" per turn, much like the recon mission of jet fighters, etc., but with unlimited range.

WarpStorm · October 13, 2003, 22:03

Solomwi, you could probably mod that in now. You could create a unit that has the recon mission and a 362 range (assuming you've got PTW). 362 is effectively unlimited. Make it as expensive as a small wonder and you are set.

Solomwi · October 13, 2003, 22:19

Good thought, WS.

I don't use the editor nearly enough for actual games. There are a couple different mods I'm working on here and there, but I'm starting to suspect they're more for the fun of creating them than any intention I have of ever playing them.

Dominae · October 13, 2003, 23:22

Wonder movies.

The_Aussie_Lurker · October 13, 2003, 23:26

Until they get boring, and you decide to simply 'ignore' them

!!!

Dominae · October 13, 2003, 23:47

I would rather have that choice.

Dominae

Turrosh Mak · October 14, 2003, 04:33

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Originally posted by jackl
I think my change would be a big overhaul of the resources/unit support system. Resources should be acumulative per turn (like gold) and expendable on support and unit creation.

For example.... i find an oil supply and build an oil well (new worker action maybe) once in production this supply gives me 3 units of oil per turn for as long as i control the well. After ten turns i would have a stratigic reserve of 30 oil.

I like this idea. I would also make the following changes to unit supply. Why should supply be a part of the game? No less an authority than Erwin Rommel often said:

"The battle is fought and won by the logistician before the first shot is fired"

Our game should reflect this reality.

Idea 1: Land A/D/M values drop by some percentage (say 5%) as you get farther from a rail line connected to your territory/RoP territory. Roads through neutral territory would reduce the penalty by half.

Example A: Warrior (1/1/1) is 4 squares outside your starting city's border. It's value is (0.8/0.8/0.8) If it was on a connected road, its value is (0.9/0.9/0.9)

Example B: Modern Amor (24/16/3) is 10 squares away from a railroad connected to your border. Its effective value is (12/8/1.5)

Idea 2 A civilization can only supply a maximum of units based on the town/city/metro model, further modified by strategic resources.

Example C: A civ consisting of 6 towns, 1 iron, and 1 horse can supply 24 units total, but only 20 iron based units and 20 horse based units (so 20 knights and 4 workers would be acceptable)

Idea 3 Unit Support can only be supplied in unlimited quantities by road/rail inside the territory where the resource is located, or 10 per port on unconnected territories.

Example D1: A 20-support oilfield is connected to 1 port but not by road to a different territory (which is connected to 2 ports). It can supply 20 to its own territory but only 10 to all outside territories.

Example D2: A 20-support oilfield is connected to 2 ports but not by road to a different territory (which is connected to 1 ports). It can supply 20 to its own territory and outside territories, but only 10 to this particular outside territory.

Traelin · October 14, 2003, 17:04

Hrm so hard to choose!

My top three would be as follows (in order of importance):

1. Unit trading
2. Useful UN/upgraded diplomacy
3. Civil Wars

SirOsis · October 14, 2003, 17:43

I would like to see a movie of what happened the previous turn. Essential for PBEM games.

Outsider · October 14, 2003, 19:20

I'd like to be able to chain units together in gangs for purposes of movement and certain orders.

It would be especially handy in dealing with pollution in the later game. Even with all the relevant improvements, I seem to generate 4 or 5 pollution a turn, often. So instead of enduring the tedium of having to move 48 individual workers one at a time to the 5 pollution tiles that came up this turn (3 standard, 1 hill, 1 mountain), and click the "clean up pollution" button 48 times, I could have them grouped in gangs of 6, and only have to make 8 moves, and give 8 orders.

Unless there is already a way to do this that I am not aware of...

WarpStorm · October 14, 2003, 20:35

Why not automate them?

peterfharris · October 14, 2003, 20:36

Good point Outsider.

I find pollution management soon gets very very tedious. If I set workers to automatically clean up pollution they all need new orders as soon as all pollution has been cleaned up. I wish I could set them so they would just stand about in some city and just wait for more pollution to appear (I want to set and forget them, never mind if they they are idle sometimes). OTH If I set the workers to "automate with no changes to existing improvements" they run off to all sorts of strange places and seem particularly attracted to the battlezone if I happen to be at war. (Umh, I capture a city so my workers rush there en masse to be captured en masse by the enemy counterattack).

Datajack Franit · October 14, 2003, 20:40

Commercial satellites, TV, Radio Towers, coffee luxury

And allow future expansions (PTW

) to be modded

G'Kar · October 15, 2003, 01:35

I think Traelin may have hit my #1 desire: a more useful UN, one that can make resolutions and sanctions.

alva · October 15, 2003, 02:40

@peterfharris:

That's allready in the game. 'Shift-P' I think, I'm not sure though as it has been quite a while.
I'm sure someone will give you the correct shortcut though. Isn't there a button for this in PTW btw?

FrostyBoy · October 15, 2003, 03:57

I would like the U.N. to have more options too, but how would you implement resolutions and sanctions to civ3?

Harovan · October 15, 2003, 05:35

The UN could be organized like that:

The owner of the UN brings up standardized drafts for resolutions, like:

- Trade embargo of all other countries against X
- Condemnation of a war between two civs (brings a % chance to end the conflict, may be depending from their government form). If they don't cease, the next type comes up:
- Call for a coalition against country Y, if it has ignored a condemnation of war (encourages other civs to join it, war could be declared if a certain part (like 25%, at least 2 including the UN owner) of all civs in the game joined it.

After this, the UN members vote. There has to be at least 50% of support for the resolution. There are other types of resolutions possible.

Stuie · October 15, 2003, 07:59

And of course you would need the ability to buy other Civs' votes for certain resolutions through the trade screen.

Traelin · October 15, 2003, 11:14

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Originally posted by Sn00py
I would like the U.N. to have more options too, but how would you implement resolutions and sanctions to civ3?

Well a good example already exists in SMAC. The UN would be ten times better if it functioned like the PC.

jeff76 · October 15, 2003, 12:33

Here's my top 5.

1. The possibility to trade units.

2. A map that is really a globe so you can travel in any direction (something would make the poles be hard to cross though... but for bombers... or missiles...)

3. The possibility to see civ splitting or even getting together as a federation ! Or even to be overthrown if you are being cruel with your people (you'd be gameover then...).

4. The UN troops...

5. Possibility to us ally facilities (to recover in their cities for example)

and...should I say a 6th one... tourism is a good idea...

plus read my post about enhancing the AI with the upgrade of HP for units of late eras...

Brundlefly · October 15, 2003, 13:30

I would change the way that leaders are used within the game.

First of all, the leader that you start the game with, for example Bismarck if German, Mao if Chinese, provides your civilization with specific advantages tailored to their personality. The advantages might include a specific unit or building being built at a quicker rate or reduced corruption. This is a concept already in Railroad Tycoon 2.

When your civ generates a Great Leader in battle you have the option to swap this GL with your current leader. If you do, then your current leader becomes a GL unit. Each GL will have its own distinct advantages as a civ leader. The anarchy period between govts decreases the longer the current leader has been in place.

Tiberius · October 15, 2003, 18:12

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Originally posted by jeff76
Here's my top 5.
5. Possibility to us ally facilities (to recover in their cities for example)

IIRC civ1 had such a thing (or was it civ2?). When you tried to enter an ally city with a damaged unit, a message poped up saying something like: "Our allies have helped us repair our ... whatever" and the unit was fully healed. A good idea, IMHO.

Asmodeus · October 15, 2003, 18:49

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Originally posted by Dominae
Wonder movies.

Amen Dominae, I was really disappointed they abandoned them in Civ3 - for budget reasons or whatever.

I remember some old crap about it distracting the flow of the game or something like that - perhaps in multiplay maybe, but in single play??? We've spent nearly a 1000 years building the Pyramids lets f'king party I say!!! I really loved the actual sense of awe you got from those movies, It felt like a real change in the course of history in the game and with modern graphics and sound technology it could be really awesome rather than just another very slow to build granary.

WarpStorm · October 15, 2003, 21:26

I think the real issue is the cost. I seem to remember Brian Reynolds saying that the Secret Project (pronounce this as Wonder) movies while excellent (they were the best) really chewed up the SMAC budget.

FrostyBoy · October 15, 2003, 22:13

yeah it would cost a lot to buy the footage

Xorbon · October 15, 2003, 22:46

In the editor, I would add a 'retreat' flag for units. At the same time, "fast units" would no longer automatically have the retreat ability. This way you could have mods with some 'move 1' units able to retreat, and some fast units unable to retreat.

Elias · October 15, 2003, 23:55

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Unit trading/gifting

Limited carrier based aircraft

I'd like to see a B52 landing on the USS Nimitz.

If you make bombers air transports as well as bombers they can no longer land on aircraftr carriers. Afterall rember operation overloard?