October 13, 2003, 17:16
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Syria Mobilized 300,000 Reservists?
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/13/in...st/13SYRI.html
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The talk of one Damascus barbershop this week was that some reservists had been called up; a political analyst, Haitham Kilani, a retired diplomat and air force general, put the number summoned so far at 300,000 of 1.5 million reservists. There has been no official announcement of a call-up adding to a standing army of more than 300,000.
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That's huge. The entire IDF reserve pool is about 400k IIRC.
And why doesnt this get big headlines?
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October 13, 2003, 17:26
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Eli, so what? We have them surrounded, and they're low tech. The only downside to destroying them in battle is the cost of rebuilding their country and economy so that next go round they're high tech.
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October 13, 2003, 17:27
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How well trained are Syrian reservists?
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October 13, 2003, 17:28
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October 13, 2003, 17:28
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Picture warrior vs modern armor and F-15s.
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October 13, 2003, 17:29
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Picture Syria as a giant pane of glass.
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October 13, 2003, 17:51
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I thought Syria's total active and reserves was just under 1 million. Guess I was wrong.
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October 13, 2003, 17:52
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Originally posted by Lancer
Picture warrior vs modern armor and F-15s.
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whew
they don't have spearmen yet 
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October 13, 2003, 17:53
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Originally posted by Lancer
Picture warrior vs modern armor and F-15s.
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Does the Civ bug still exist, allowing pikemen to shoot down F-15s? 
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October 13, 2003, 17:57
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It's not a bug....it's a feature 
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October 13, 2003, 17:59
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Does the Civ bug still exist, allowing pikemen to shoot down F-15s?
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Nope, you can't do that until Knights now
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October 13, 2003, 18:03
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a political analyst, Haitham Kilani, a retired diplomat and air force general, put the number summoned so far at 300,000 of 1.5 million reservists.
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According to The Military Balance, Syria has 319,000 active servicemen, including about 215,000 in the army. It estimates Syria's reserves at 354,000.
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http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/worl.../09/2003071007
Huh. I wonder which number, if any, is correct.
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October 13, 2003, 18:38
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Dust off those branches and sequels for the Centcom force...
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October 13, 2003, 18:47
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October 13, 2003, 22:05
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What is the definition of reservists? Syria might have tiers of them.
Also, the matchup woul not be as lopsided as people think, if onyl becuase Israel is right next door, not an ocean away, and no, nukes are very unlikely to be used, and if they were , its not like Israle ended up pretty either (cause the only time the nukes would be used is if Israel was in mortal peril, or had suffered a large WMD attack).
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October 13, 2003, 22:26
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It would be very lopsided. There is a large force in the country to the East...
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October 13, 2003, 22:30
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Iraqi problems notwithstanding, could we withstand another political defeat? I don't think so. Plus, it would just be throwing fuel onto the fire...I can see the headlines now:
AMERICAN AND JEWISH INFIDELS ATTACK MUSLIM HOLY LANDS! JIHAD AGAINST THEM!!!
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October 13, 2003, 22:33
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Originally posted by GePap
What is the definition of reservists? Syria might have tiers of them.
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Yes, that possibility makes sense.
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Also, the matchup woul not be as lopsided as people think, if onyl becuase Israel is right next door, not an ocean away, and no, nukes are very unlikely to be used, and if they were , its not like Israle ended up pretty either (cause the only time the nukes would be used is if Israel was in mortal peril, or had suffered a large WMD attack).
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Without the backing of the Soviet Union, most likely any conventional war between Syria and Israel would be very one sided. With the exception of a possible suprise attack, Syria's best chance at attacking Israel now is what it has been doing - fight Israel by proxy through the terrorist groups it supports and aids.
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October 13, 2003, 22:47
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An Israeli land assult straight into Syria is very unlikely, as it runs right into the bulk of the Syrian army fortwhith. Certainyl an air campaing could do a lot of damague quickly, but the Israelis till have to absorb the Syria attack on the heights, and attacks from Lebanon. And the US would not be getting involved at all.
Would Israel win? Ceartinly Would Israel win without significant cost to itself? NO. Becuase if the Israeli have nukes t keep the Arabs out of Tel Aviv, the Syrians have chemicals weapons waiting for anyone coming into Damascus. Lets put it this way: as much as people talk, the IDF is NOT as good as the US Army, and the Syrians are not as hapless as the Iraqis (at least they feed, clothe and arm their concripts).
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October 13, 2003, 22:49
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Plus, of course, there is the aftermath of any war..Israel could not control tiny southern Lebanon...after all, it was Syria at the end that ended up with a proxy, not Israel. They can't even totally control the relatively unarmed Pals....what exactly would they do in Syria?
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October 13, 2003, 23:00
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I wished to hell they would do something. Peace is so over rated. War helps restore the proper balance and I for one need to be balanced.
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October 13, 2003, 23:00
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Third thing: after 1949, which of Israel's ,military victories have actually lead to lasting peace in israel's favor?
Not 1956, or 1967. 1973 lead to a peace with Egypt, but Egypt got back all the land Israel had taken from it. 1982 lead to an open ended commitment that ended with Lebanon in the hands of Syria...
All and all Israel's ability to capitalize from military victories has been pretty bad.
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October 13, 2003, 23:12
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Originally posted by GePap
Third thing: after 1949, which of Israel's ,military victories have actually lead to lasting peace in israel's favor?
Not 1956, or 1967. 1973 lead to a peace with Egypt, but Egypt got back all the land Israel had taken from it. 1982 lead to an open ended commitment that ended with Lebanon in the hands of Syria...
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Actually, 1956 got Egypt to stop sending in Fedayeen at Israel, and 1967 led to an (unspoken) peace with Jordan. The Gulf War led to the Oslo Peace process (which failed)
As to Egypt getting back some of it's land, while it may have been lopsided in Egypt's favor, I don't see what your point is - should Israel have not returned the Sinai in exchange for peace? 
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October 13, 2003, 23:18
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Hmmm... This must be why we saw it advertised in the newspaper that Israel had fitted nuke warheads to cruise missiles...
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October 13, 2003, 23:36
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Hmmm... This must be why we saw it advertised in the newspaper that Israel had fitted nuke warheads to cruise missiles...
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I thought Israel and experts had dismissed that. (Though in regards to Syria, I doubt Syria could do anything in regard to Israels two other platforms for delivery).
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October 13, 2003, 23:38
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Yeah, but Israel doesn't even admit to having nuclear weapons - of course they're gonna deny having nuclear-tipped cruise missiles
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October 14, 2003, 01:08
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Maybe Syria needs to cut its surplus population?
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October 14, 2003, 03:58
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Us and the Jews have them surrounded
But Jews please handle this our people are kinda tired I mean we even have Serbs fighting for us now
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October 14, 2003, 04:06
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Originally posted by GePap
An Israeli land assult straight into Syria is very unlikely, as it runs right into the bulk of the Syrian army fortwhith. Certainyl an air campaing could do a lot of damague quickly, but the Israelis till have to absorb the Syria attack on the heights, and attacks from Lebanon. And the US would not be getting involved at all.
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We had complete aerial superiority in 1982, and since then the balance of powers tipped even more in Israel's favor. So unless Syria has some super-secret anti-aircraft death rays, this "bulk" of the Syrian army will be bombed to pieces faster than you can say "UN calls for cease fire".
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October 14, 2003, 05:15
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If the Syrians would somehow manage to sneak attack us ( impossible due to the Intel gap ), they could do some serious damage. They have lots of armor and artillery concentrated there. But, This wouldn't last for long. As soon as we get our armored and artillery forces concentrated on that sector, we'll roll, no doubt in that. Maybe Syria feeds their conscripts, but they still have too much T-55s, and not enough T-72s (That would burn, as well, but nevermind that )
Oh, and our reserve pool is much larger than 400k, btw, IF NEEDED.
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