Tent of the Chief of Staff, HQ - Page 2

POTUS · October 16, 2003, 19:07

I want to command the South-East Front to lead our march on the Old City.

EmuGod · October 16, 2003, 20:36

Here's a map of Israel at the UN Partition. These are the current boundaries, not the ones Azazel posted.

EmuGod · October 16, 2003, 20:37

BTW, this map is from Insurgent's Under Seige scenario.

conmcb25 · October 16, 2003, 20:42

OK Emu and the point is?

Dr. Nick · October 16, 2003, 22:04

I don't know but this politico is loco if he thinks I'm going respect the dirty UN.

PinkyGen · October 17, 2003, 01:02

True, but Azazel's map is bigger, and more clearly marks where he at least wants to attack. I think we all realized it was a present day map, but the political borders was not the point of the map. It was the colors that showed where we should end up. Nevertheless, I think your map currently shows the military predicamate the UN put us on. I mean Jerusalem is how far into Arab territory?

Anyway, it's not like the Arabs are going to respect the U.N. as well.

Az · October 17, 2003, 16:15

actually, those aren't the current borders, as well. For example, Tiberias is palestinian. This is the UN DECISION, not the things on the ground.

conmcb25 · October 17, 2003, 16:21

OK Im confused here ( not a hard thing to do i know!

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What does the Un have to do with anything in game terms?

We should be pounding those Palestinian cities unmercifully tryoing to hook up our cities before the Brits leave correct? Around turn 7?

Am I missing something here or are we getting on a real life track vice a good strategy in the game track, AGAIN?i

PinkyGen · October 17, 2003, 17:35

Ok, so things on the ground don't even match what the U.N. says.

I'm with conmcb25, while we may role-play to try to include the UN, the UN should not affect how military operations are actually conducted.

Additionally, El, a reminder, inform me when you have the fronts organized so I can get this show on the road.

Ben Kenobi · October 17, 2003, 18:03

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If you need to exceed them, you need a good reason, and you need to plead your case to the Knesset for vote.

And with an 80% vote needed, the probability of that happening is slim to none.

Especially since I hold the Harmony seat.

I support exceeding the UN terms if we are to give the Palestinians an offer to join Israel. Much less messier and more efficient than outright conquest.

Secondly, with these limited objectives, bribery will not exceed the intentions of the scenario designers.

conmcb25 · October 17, 2003, 18:06

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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Secondly, with these limited objectives, bribery will not exceed the intentions of the scenario designers.

Your not serious are you?

PinkyGen · October 17, 2003, 18:55

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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

Especially since I hold the Harmony seat.

It's 80% of the cabinet, not the knesset. You only get a vote if you become President. This is not law, or anything like that, just the governments policy that will change if the coalition decides to change.

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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I support exceeding the UN terms if we are to give the Palestinians an offer to join Israel. Much less messier and more efficient than outright conquest.

And for precisely these reasons the scenario designer has asked all players not to use it. The scenario also allows us to buy unlimited weapons even if our treasury is at 0, but that does not mean we should do.

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Secondly, with these limited objectives, bribery will not exceed the intentions of the scenario designers.

Huh? He said don't bribe. I think we all already messing with the intentions by contemplating at least bribing one.

I think it's all good we forget about the map Emu posted, it's just confusing the issue. We know what starts as ours, and what starts as not ours. We have already indicated what we want to take that was not initially ours. If we capture these objectives, then it seems to me common sense that we expand the objective list. If such a situation arises where we capture all the objectives, and the cabinet does not agree to expand the list does not expand, I would be most upset.

Ben Kenobi · October 17, 2003, 20:39

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Huh? He said don't bribe. I think we all already messing with the intentions by contemplating at least bribing one.

Then why have a spy unit like the Mossad if he just sits there? I don't think it unbalances the game that much, especially if we don't use the military forces.

Are we going to make this a formal rule not to bribe at all?

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The scenario also allows us to buy unlimited weapons even if our treasury is at 0, but that does not mean we should do.

No, that's obviously unbalancing.

Odd. Used to be the policy of only expanding through bribery was too harsh, now it seems too lenient.

PinkyGen · October 17, 2003, 21:00

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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

Then why have a spy unit like the Mossad if he just sits there? I don't think it unbalances the game that much, especially if we don't use the military forces.

Are we going to make this a formal rule not to bribe at all?

He suggets using it for sabatoge and espionage. I think they could be useful in stealing technology and scouting out a cities defenses, less for sabatoge missions.

As for a formal rule, that's what the other thread is for, to see if people want it or not. I may post a poll. It will be the policy of this government to either not incite revolts, or to minimally incite revolts at a rate of one turn. I haven't made up my mind, and if there is an actual law passed banning it, then obviously then this government will not incite revolts.

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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

Odd. Used to be the policy of only expanding through bribery was too harsh, now it seems too lenient.

It's deemed as possibly destabilizing, though I'm not sure if we could even have the cashflow necessary to sustain a bribing campaign. Perhaps later in the game, when more money is coming in, is bribery much more potent. The reason I care about this point is that I don't want people to view this game as invalid because we overrode the designer's House Rule.

Anyway, we should probably move this over to the Mossad thread anyway.

conmcb25 · October 17, 2003, 21:11

Ya and I say post a poll.

Being the self righteous SOB that I am.

Dr. Nick · October 18, 2003, 00:55

Yep, just logging on ten minutes, I should have it sorted by Sunday.

Working and studying is a fuc*ing bit*ch.

*falls asleep at keyboard*

PinkyGen · October 18, 2003, 02:17

I sympathsize, I have two papers this weekend as well.

conmcb25 · October 18, 2003, 23:19

EL, wake up!

Do we have front commanders selected?

Can we start.

The Cheif of Staff can sleep AFTER the war!

PinkyGen · October 19, 2003, 00:48

He said he'll have it sorted by Sunday, and I assume 12:48 AM Sunday morning wasn't what he meant.

conmcb25 · October 19, 2003, 01:20

What the heck is the matter with this Cheif of Staff you choose, all he does is work, go to school and sleep. Sounds pretty normal, I wanted an ANIMAL!

Sorry EL but I have to give you the business. Sweet dreams!

PinkyGen · October 19, 2003, 02:54

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Originally posted by conmcb25
I wanted an ANIMAL!

Is that why you have the monkey?

conmcb25 · October 19, 2003, 09:05

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Originally posted by PinkyGen

Is that why you have the monkey?

No its because Im a monkey!

CIV3 PTWDGII

It has been a lot of fun thus far and lets just say the company has been very intelligent. A very refreshing change...................

Dr. Nick · October 19, 2003, 09:47

Northern Front: General Mikhoels (yaroslav)
Home Front: General Sadeh (Azazel)
South East Front: General Berg (POTUS)
Sinai Front: General Unknown (FiGu)

Ok, I've assigned fronts... Sadeh and FiGu didn't put forward any special requests so I drew out of a hat for their fronts, and this is how it is. You have your OOBs and cities under command in the first post in this thread.

EmuGod · October 19, 2003, 15:49

The map was meant to show what the situation was going to be like when Israel is supposed to become a country and some idea of the task at hand, not some controversy about whether or not to respect these borders. Besides, I thought it looked nice.

PinkyGen · October 19, 2003, 16:31

El Awerence, I think you maybe forgot to assign Ein Gev?

Dr. Nick · October 31, 2003, 14:40

Report of the Chief of Staff, November 1947

To: Defence Minister
CC: Economic Minister

Citing large quantities of funds in the treasure that has been brought about from the donations of Jews around the world supporting our cause, I submit this paper requesting that the following units must be built with urgency for the defence of our God mandated lands. I commend the strenous jobs of our Ministers, and remind them of the need for urgency: our underequipped, ill supplied soldiers are dying for the blessed lands, and it is our job to make their duties at the front as light as possible. I urge you to employ our treasure for the construction of these divisions, many young men remain in their barracks unarmed, though they be keen to fight the infidel Arab who seeks to destroy us.

FOR THE Northern Front:
HAGANAH in Metullah, Kajer Szold, Mishmar Yarden. Rushbuilt soon, please.
WWI ARTILLERY in Nahariyyah, Yehi'am, Haifa

FOR THE Judean Front:
HAGANAH in Degania, Gesher, Beth-Shean, EIN GEV (placing this city under the Judean Front command).
WWI ARTILLERY in Haderah, Netanyah, Petach Tikva

FOR THE South East Front:
WWI ARTILLERY in West Jerusalem (not urgent, but I would very much appreciate it).
HAGANAH in Kfar Etzion, Sedom

FOR THE Sinai Front:
WWI ARTILLERY in Tel Aviv, Ashdod, Gevaram, Eilat
HAGANAH in Tekumah, Nevatim, Revivim,

May God lead us unto the green pastures,

Field Marshal Goldmann

Dispatches of the General Staff: EIN GEV has been assigned to the Judean Front. The Field Marshal will manage the defence this month, as from next month, the commander of the Judean Front shall dispatch his subordinates.

PinkyGen · October 31, 2003, 14:50

Glad to see Ein Gev assigned, sorry for not seeing this before posting on the turn thread.

yaroslav · October 31, 2003, 17:35

Report/Letter of Moshe Mikhoels to Chief of Staff,

Dear Chief os state,
I ask you to build machineguns instead of other units, as they defend better. I also ask you to ask for some anti-air units to defend my front.

Trust Israel! Defend the Golan!

EDITED: State for staff.

conmcb25 · October 31, 2003, 17:41

**whispers into Yaro's ear**

Yaro its Cheif of STAFF

Dont worry I wont tell anyone

**Quits whispering**

yaroslav · October 31, 2003, 18:07

Ohhh, I exposed our secret 'coup d'etat'. Run away, Chief of Staff, Run away!

Sorry for the typo