October 14, 2003, 22:02
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Prince
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Issue revisited: Mossad bribes
I was scanning the readme on the game to find out about Ben Gurion for the other thread, when I ran across this House Rule.
"- Do not incite revolts. OK! The Mossad unit rocks and you will be able to buy Egypt up by
para-shooting a few Mossad units near their cities and buying all of them. But it will ruin
the game, by making it too easy. Use the Mossad for more creative purposes, like sabotage and
espionage. "
Well, shall we honor the House Rule or shall we bribe?
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October 14, 2003, 23:20
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Seems like there's a use for bribery after all. 
Perhaps the Harmony Party strategy ought to be implemented, as a realistic tactic, eh?
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October 15, 2003, 00:04
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Prince
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The tactic was never ruled out. However, your tactic is a violation of the scenario designer's House Rule, so we must decide if we will honor this rule, or give the Arabs some shekels.
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October 15, 2003, 08:57
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How about we don't bribe cities, but we bribe units?
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October 15, 2003, 09:15
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Let's limit ourselves to bribing one city per turn.
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October 15, 2003, 14:28
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Originally posted by Azazel
Let's limit ourselves to bribing one city per turn.
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That's the best idea so far imho.
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October 15, 2003, 16:16
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Have you play the scen, guys? I spend all my money pretty fast building defenses and buying units, so I don't know if we're going to have enough money to bribe any single city.
However, I'm against breaking house's rules, but that is upon the govt. We the military prefer to CONQUER 
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October 15, 2003, 16:20
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Let's limit ourselves to bribing one city per turn.
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Your dreams are too small. 
Why should we have any limits on bribery?
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October 15, 2003, 16:31
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Your dreams are too small.
Why should we have any limits on bribery?
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Because it is the scenario designer's wish that bribing not occur.
So far, I am leading towards maybe allowing 1 per turn, if anything. It's not like we'll be excessively bribing this early on.
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October 15, 2003, 16:32
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Because bribing is no honorable, only conquering and defending is honorable.
[I'm getting in the role of front commander]
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October 15, 2003, 17:20
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Originally posted by yaroslav
Because bribing is no honorable, only conquering and defending is honorable.
[I'm getting in the role of front commander]
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*assigns extra artillery to yaros*
Soon you too will be politically solvent. 
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October 15, 2003, 17:59
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*wrong thread*
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October 15, 2003, 19:00
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Because bribing is no honorable, only conquering and defending is honorable.
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Honour?
Filling holes of mud with warm meat is honourable?
Using bombs to kill from a distance is honourable?
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October 15, 2003, 19:03
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I wish I'd havea bomb to throw to the enemys! I'm now without any bomb, plane or tank to stop the Syrian and you want me, North Front Commander, to spend the money otherway that in equipment!!
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October 15, 2003, 19:09
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Wait, bribery is not allowed by scenario?
Then, we shouldn't have it, either.
That or my other idea.
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October 15, 2003, 20:03
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Originally posted by yaroslav
I wish I'd havea bomb to throw to the enemys! I'm now without any bomb, plane or tank to stop the Syrian and you want me, North Front Commander, to spend the money otherway that in equipment!!
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What is this?! A complaint! In the LORD'S ARMY!
Nodoby complains! For your sin you will slaughter a lamb and offer it your chickens!
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October 15, 2003, 21:05
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Well, I belong to the harmony party, hence I am sympathetic towards the position of the party leader, however, as I consider the idea, I cannot imagine an Arab who would turn to the Jewish side for any sum of money. Some things just can't be bought.
An Arab Judas.
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October 16, 2003, 12:13
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As member of the Harmony Party, I favour bribing.
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October 16, 2003, 12:34
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Deity
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Why should we have any limits on bribery?
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Because it bastardizes the scenario designers intent.
If we aren't playing it the way it was designed within the limitations of the CIV 2 engine then what is the point. Im with Yaroslav on this one.
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October 16, 2003, 14:07
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King
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Of course, I will stick with what the majority decides. It's a democracy after all.
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October 16, 2003, 19:12
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Prince
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Why do we need to bribe cities? It is just so much more fun to conquer them. Of course, some of our more peaceful citizens might disagree, but if they want to pay the cost of bribing everyone, it's fine by me.
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October 19, 2003, 13:30
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hi ,
, why spend all that money on bribes , we could better use it to buy new units , or to buy buildings , ....
from a tactical point of view its way more intresting then to buy a worthless city , ....
have a nice day 
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