How bad is female circumcision?

Al B. Sure! · October 19, 2003, 03:19

this seems to be one of those universal bad things that every group of every political persuasion can agree on being bad... my boy though was saying how on that issue, people have basically just given into the hype.

apparently, the main problems resulting from circumcision are sanitary issues that can easily be resolved in a hospital setting. the only inherent effect of female circumcision is a degradation of female sexual pleasure.

the thing is though... we practice male circumcision which supposedly also lowers sexual pleasure. are we being any better than some Nigerians just because we chose to fool around with the genitals of a different gender?

or is female circumcision much worse than male circumcision? cause it seems ironic and kind of sad if we are basically practicing the same thing we universally abhore.

something to think about...

The Mad Monk · October 19, 2003, 03:53

Not having read your other current thread, I must say that having the two, titled as they are, in such close proximity vaguely disturbing...

ixnay · October 19, 2003, 03:54

Sikander · October 19, 2003, 04:29

From what I've heard about it, female circumcision is equivalent to having someone doing a male circumcision. With a wakazshi.

geeslaka · October 19, 2003, 04:34

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Originally posted by ixnay

Is that your plan for dealing with your girl's overprotective mother AS?

The Mad Monk · October 19, 2003, 04:43

I was thinking, more the mother's plan for the gf.

MichaeltheGreat · October 19, 2003, 04:56

The intent behind male circumcision is primarily medical, as it historically reduced risk of infection. Current medical studies have shown that in areas where clean water is readily available, with no risk of biological agents, male circumcision is not necessary. It is becoming somewhat less common in a large part of the world.

It's also done in infancy, and the sexual effect is most likely fairly small (it's not like there's any shortage of nerve endings after the fact.)

Female circumcision is done totally for the purpose of controlling women sexually, it is done generally at or around puberty when the clitoris is more exposed and accessible, and it is more akin to amputation than circumcision.

Tell you what, Albert - next time you're looking at your shlongola, think about someone taking the equivalent of garden shears and removing 90% of it.

Loif · October 19, 2003, 05:07

What is a wakazshi?

spartak · October 19, 2003, 05:24

probably a very blunt instrument of some description.

spartak · October 19, 2003, 05:25

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Originally posted by spartak
probably a very blunt instrument of some description.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakizashi

Actually its the shorter of a smaurais two swords.

Loif · October 19, 2003, 06:00

As a female I wouldn't recommend it.

Snotty · October 19, 2003, 06:10

About male circumcision:-

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It's also done in infancy, and the sexual effect is most likely fairly small (it's not like there's any shortage of nerve endings after the fact.)

Ive always had a problem with this idea. I am uncircumcised, and when Im hanging out in my boxers and my skin is rolled back, I chafe something chronic. Its so bad Ive got to roll my skin back over to stop it hurting. I imagine had I had my skin chopped off I would get desensitized.

If not then theres a hell of a lot of Americans in a hell of a lot of pain.

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Drake Tungsten · October 19, 2003, 06:15

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Actually its the shorter of a smaurais two swords.

Used primarily for beheading defeated enemies, IIRC.

geeslaka · October 19, 2003, 06:15

Snotty's right, but I notice that problem less if I wear tighty whities.(go on, say bad things about me for it, I don't care and I need the anger to keep me awake to argue with Asher.)

Spiffor · October 19, 2003, 06:32

Basically, Excision (this is what we are talking about) is solely intended for the girl not to have any sexual pleasure in life. Male circumcision has very little effect on sexual pleasure, while excision means the excised woman will not feel any pleasure in the area. Besides, the way it's performed is most often dangerous for its victims, unlike the health-oriented male circumcision.

Excision is intended to strip women a part of their personality (sexual pleasure and sexual initiative) and nothing else. For many excised women, the only way to get sexual pleasure is sodomy. IIRC, you're not a big advocate of this practice

Snotty · October 19, 2003, 06:38

Are you sure it just by sodomy? I assumed female circumcision removed the clitoral hood, and presumably part of the clitoris.

Would it not still feel good around, and just in the vaginal entrance, not to mention the g-spot, and the urethra to a degree.

Im sure sexual pleasure would be greatly reduced. Instead the pleasureable areas would all be focused on the areas stimulated by thrusting sex motions.

Snotty · October 19, 2003, 06:39

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Originally posted by geeslaka
Snotty's right, but I notice that problem less if I wear tighty whities.(go on, say bad things about me for it, I don't care and I need the anger to keep me awake to argue with Asher.)

You seem defensive about your small white pants....Is there something you want to tell us?

Bugs ****ing Bunny · October 19, 2003, 07:16

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Originally posted by Albert Speer
this seems to be one of those universal bad things that every group of every political persuasion can agree on being bad... my boy though was saying how on that issue, people have basically just given into the hype.

Your "boy" is a fool.

connorkimbro · October 19, 2003, 07:21

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Ive always had a problem with this idea. I am uncircumcised, and when Im hanging out in my boxers and my skin is rolled back, I chafe something chronic.

Odd. I'm uncircumcised, and i've never experienced this.

Elok · October 19, 2003, 08:42

Just don't keep the skin rolled back then. Works for me.

Now this thread is getting really wierd...

The Viceroy · October 19, 2003, 08:55

One of my previous gf's (sri-lankan muslim girl) was circumcised, and it most certainly had been something she was not at all happy with.

Its not just the reduction of pleasure, its the feeling of being physically molested at a young age, without concent. thats what really is bad about this practice.

Verres · October 19, 2003, 09:37

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Originally posted by Snotty
Are you sure it just by sodomy? I assumed female circumcision removed the clitoral hood, and presumably part of the clitoris.

Would it not still feel good around, and just in the vaginal entrance, not to mention the g-spot, and the urethra to a degree.

Im sure sexual pleasure would be greatly reduced. Instead the pleasureable areas would all be focused on the areas stimulated by thrusting sex motions.

There are actually 3 different types of female circumcision, involving varying degrees of mutilation. Without going into too much detail, suffice to say that one involves total removal of the clitoris,and the other two go a little further - focusing on construction rather than destruction, if you see what i mean.

So not only does it mean loss of sexual pleasure,it can also make sex unbearably painful. Very, very different from male circumcision.

Chemical Ollie · October 19, 2003, 09:57

Female circumcision is really awful. The girl become a cripple for the rest of her life and can never enjoy sex. That's probably the whole idea, so she will stay true to the man her parents choose for her.

Wernazuma III · October 19, 2003, 10:17

IIRC, in female circumcision, the clitoris is removed, right? At the early stage, male and female embryos look the same. Actually, every part which we feel is "unique" to either sex has a counterpart in the opposite sex. It just happens, that in the Ontogenesis, the same root develops into something different. E.g,, the man's nuts are a woman's ovaries.
The ontogenetic equivalent of the clitoris is the clans, thus female circumcision is something really terrible!!!!! Without the clitoris there is almost no possibility for orgasm (apart from the extremely rare vaginal orgasm, but with all the pain at sex, this won't happen either...)

Dr Strangelove · October 19, 2003, 10:19

The common practice in Africa seems to be the removal of not just the clitoris, but also large parts of labia majorae and labia minorae. Africa ritual circumcision is not done in a surgical manner, it's just plain mutilation. The result of the clumsy amputation of the genitalia is scarring of the perineum that results in chronic pain, and the scarring can even obstruct the urethral opening, leading to renal disease. While infection exacerbates th degree of scarring, it's also evident that the manner with which the procedure is carried out also produces much of the damage. Tissues are simply sliced away without any thought of how the area will heal. Thi claim is backed up by observations of the results of "hygenic" female circumcision performed by practitioners who have ben educated in the priniciples of sterile surgery. Even when performed with proper antisepsis there is still considerable residual impairment of the girls. You also have to consider that in many areas the procedure is performed for the purposes of preparing preteen girls for marriage to older men. Such marriages often are quite profitable to the girl's family. In such cases a simple clitorectomy would not suffice. I believe that one of Britain's female models underwent this procedure as a child. She has written extensvely about her travails. Does anyone remember her name?

Drogue · October 19, 2003, 13:01

Female circumcision is one of the most horrific things I've heard. First take the shear pain of having very delecate parts of your anatomy removed by blunt knives, glass, scissors, etc. Then consider the long term effects, from infection and chronic pain to the inability to feel sexual pleasure or have sex (in extreme cases, involving the closing, stitching and even burning (using corrosive materials) of delecate openings). This is extremely horrific, and all done purely for the reason of controlling the sexual pleasure of a girl. IMHO it is one of the most barbaric things that can be done.

MichaeltheGreat · October 19, 2003, 13:26

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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

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Actually its the shorter of a smaurais two swords.

Used primarily for beheading defeated enemies, IIRC.

More for fighting indoors or in enclosed spaces, or as a backup in case the tachi was broken.

Drake Tungsten · October 19, 2003, 13:28

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More for fighting indoors or in enclosed spaces, or as a backup in case the tachi was broken.

Aren't I glad that I threw that "IIRC" in there...

Buck Birdseed · October 19, 2003, 14:04

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Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
I believe that one of Britain's female models underwent this procedure as a child. She has written extensvely about her travails. Does anyone remember her name?

Waris Dirie.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...881652-8577430

Oerdin · October 19, 2003, 14:45

Why call it female circumcision? Call it what it is female genital mutilation.