An "Antigonos" scenario...

[Prometeus]

I've found an old floppy copy of my "Antigonos Monophtalmos" scenario, so, after my Cisalpine Gaul restyling, i've estabilished to restyle this one also. Suggestions ?

Question: What is it? It sounds quite Greek, but I've never heard of it.

PS: I just glanced at some of the stuff in CG, but it looks good...

[BeBro]

Antigonos was one of the Diadoches in the struggle after the death of Alex the Great (I hope that´s correct ).

Prometeus, Antigonos Monophtalmos is that the guy with only one eye? He ruled the Macedonian part of Alex´empire? Great idea

[St Leo]

Is that the guy who got his posterior handed to him in the battle of Ipsus? I asked Stefan Hartel to make a scenario about that but he had other ideas.

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[Prometeus]

Thanks, guys...

To Giant Squid
Yes, it's greek... and thanks for your quick feedback about Celtic Italy scenario.

To BeBro
Yup, he was created Phrygian ( a Asia Minor regional kingdom ) "satrapus" and ruler under Alexander the Great government; After Alex' death, he was the only "diadocus" that came closest to rebuilt again the Alexander's empire, before he was killed in Ipsus' battle against Lisimacos and Seleucos Ist Nicator ( two of the three enemies he had; Tolomeus Ist Soter was not at Ipsus' battle ). I think i'll use a couple of your ships, BeBro...

To StLeo
Yes, he was that one, St Leo... but it was Issos, not Ipsus ( read my answer to BeBro).

[St Leo]

before he was killed in Ipsus' battle against Lisimacos and Seleucos

but it was Issos, not Ipsus

Don't those two fragments contradict each other?

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[BeBro]

Feel free to use the ships, Prometeus.

When starts the scn, directly after Alex the Great´s death?

[Stefan Härtel]

I like Antigonos... according to my sources he fell on the nerves of Alexander's mother Olympias so much he even received complaints from her in Persepolis and India! Pretty sympathetic...
BeBro: Monophtalmos means "one-eyed". Mono means one and Phtalmos eye. (I know I'm pretty stupid right now, I just came home from an 8-hour drive thu the infrastructure of Paris and Nuremberg!)

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[Prometeus]

To St Leo
Oooops... a stupid misunderstand about reading, you are right.
To BeBro
The original scenario started in 316 BC and ended in 281 BC ( the year of Curopedion battle between Lisimacos and Seleucos I Nicator ), but this one ends in 301 ( The year of Ipsus battle ). And thanks for your permission, BeBro...
To Stefan
Yeah, he was for sure the one who most deserved the Alexander' throne... too bad he lost.

[Stefan Härtel]

Funny thing is, though, that the one who Alexander would have chosen would've neither been Seleukos, nor Ptolemaios, nor Antigonos, Lysimachos or Kassandros. While his soldiers were saying good-bye to him, he gave his seal to Perdikkas. It is most likely that, if he would have had the chance to choose a successor, he would have chosen Perdikkas!
Aside from that, I believe that, if he hadn't already died before, Alex would have chosen Hephaistion, his great love. Hephaistion was so madly in love with Alexander that he was jealous at everyone-even his dog!

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[Prometeus]

Huh, Stefan, when the scenario starts, Perdiccas is supposed to be long time dead during the civil war, so... you can guess why i said he was the one that most deserved the throne - because he was the most able general between diadocs.

Update news about scenario
1)
I placed in it all the fighting diadocs - Lisimacos, Seleucos, Tolomeos, Kassandros, Antigonos and his son Demetrios - and the Indian emperor Chandragupta.
2)
I stabled four cities to be international recruit camps for mercenarioes - that's it, mercenary units will appear during the game in this cities - so whoever will obtain the control over these four cities will receive an extra aid in the game.
3)
In order to better perform each general's abilities, i'll gave to evry tribe an extra tech that will allow him a "national unit".

What do you think about this idea ?

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[Prometeus]

Updated news number 2...
1)
I've placed in my scenario a kinda "super-spy" unit.
I know, i'm pretty dirty, but.. there was no way to represent the eterai arts of seduction...
2)
The list of national units:
Lisimacos - Thracians
Seleucos - Paropamisades ( an afghan-indian cavalry )and elephants
Antigonos - a sort of flamethrower ( i based the icon over the one used by Thebans at the battle of Delion )
Tolomeos - cheap ships ( thanks, BeBro ... )
Cassandros - Tessalia's cavalry
Chandragupta - Khsatria ( a kind of super-infantry )
3)
The government...
I stabled all to be under Despotism, except for Antigonids ( because they considered free Greek cities as allies, and never tried to subdue them in any way ); the Antigonids will play as Monarchy.
4)
The mercenary units...
Four mercenary units are planned:
* Hoplites n. 2
* Phalanx n. 2
* Archers
* Paropamisades
The first three ones are reserved to Greek kingdoms, the fourth is reserved to Seleucos and Chandragupta.

P.S.
Blackclove, Cam, please don't consider this as spamming... i'm trying to get a feedback about my project before posting it To SLeague ( that's it, i want to post this scenario for review in place of my oldest one, Chung Kuo - currently under restyling ).

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[BeBro]

Units sound good. But what is that flamethrower, a siege engine?

[Stefan Härtel]

quote: Units sound good. But what is that flamethrower, a siege engine?

I suppose he means "Greek Fire", a chemical mixture invented by the Hellenes that shot out of a barrel, similar to a modern-day flame-thrower (at least in effect), was very effective in the naval warfare. Nobody knows how they did it, though.

Prometeus, I don't know what dimensions your scenario has, but for the Seleucids I would propose you to have a commonly used "Persian" unit, because at the time of Alexander's death, every third in his army was an Iranian. Afterwards they were a lot cheaper to aquire than Greek, or even Macedonian hoplites. In any way, use "locals" as "standart" units as cheap but not very powerful forces.

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[Prometeus]

After 15 days of system shutdown, i'm back to Apolyton...

Hmmm...

To Stefan
1) Not exactly... i was referring to the Theban flamethrower, used during the Peloponnesian War in the battle of Delion.

2) As you say, a third of the army was Iranian, but a) the percentual decreased quickly after Alexander's death ( to reach the 5% at the end of the Diadoc's wars ) and b) Persians were mixed with Greeks and Macedonians, so they adopted the same equipment.
[This message has been edited by Prometeus (edited September 09, 2000).]

[Prometeus]

Thanks for your hint, Stefan... i created a Seleucid persian unit, and most important thing,
a) not so powerfull,
b) unavailable to rebuild.
I hope this will show a lot better the native's number decrease in hellenistic armies during this period.

Huh, about the flamethrower: it was not greek fire, because this one use a liquid propellent ( kind of sulphur and oil mixture ? who knows ? the "recipe" was a statal secret... ). The "theban" flamethrower used - and launched - living fire coals.

Updated news number three.
In "Antigonos", i playtested a modified version of my Kok Turk scenario's Terrain1.bmp . I just can't wait to post "Kok Turks" scenario to Apolyton ... sadly, it has so many bugs, it will take another month to fix them all.
Hope the Antigonos' preview will give you an idea of Kok Turk's look ( once i'll finish it, it's obvious...).

[This message has been edited by Prometeus (edited September 14, 2000).]

[Prometeus]

Huuooopps... forgot to ask you one lil' thing...

I have one empty "Extra unit" slot, and i want to use it for a extra unit...
IYO, what's the better unit, Asiatic cavalry or peltasts ?

[Stefan Härtel]

Depends... do you have a unit for the Macedonian veterans?

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[Prometeus]

Yes, i have three of them, but i used only one...
Anyway, all the phalanx units will start with the "Veteran" status on.
[This message has been edited by Prometeus (edited September 14, 2000).]

[Prometeus]

Ok, i'll cut Asian cavalry, replace it with a unit from my Kok Turks scen ( depicting Scythians-Parthians mounted archers ), and i'll use the new empty slot for a peltast's unit. Suggestions ?

[BeBro]

Prometeus, where can I get your scns, for instance the Gaul Cisalpine scn, have you an own website?

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[Prometeus]

Currently, i have no website...
The only available scenario on the net is "Chung Kuo", currently on SLeague review section. But don't be so sad ! I'll post my "Celtitaly" to Civilization Fanatic Centre, and "Antigonos" for another review, if Cam and Blackclove will allow me to do that ( anyway, i'll need a playtester or two ... BeBro for volunteer ? ).
My "Kok Turk" scen is still under working, causing me a lot of troubles ; i used a few units for "Antigonos".
That's all folks - for now...
[This message has been edited by Prometeus (edited September 17, 2000).]

[BeBro]

Prometeus, I hope this doesn´t hurt you, but currently I´m simply too busy with my own scns, the betatesting of some others and with my real life, so I have to refuse.

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[Prometeus]

Don't worry, BeBro... and thanks.

[Ken Hinds]

Question for Stefan. How did you manange to drive through both Paris and Nueremberg in the same 8 hrs. The last time that I saw the traffic in Paris, 1983, it would have taken nearly that long just to cross Paris. Have the French finally given up using cars in within the city?

Ken

[Stefan Härtel]

We took the highway. As a matter of fact, we came from Reims, but it was inevitable to cross Paris, so we thought it'd be OK if we used the highway... It was not as bad as Bordeaux but it was tough.

[Prometeus]

Damn...
Due to a bug, this scen will not perform wonders...

[Prometeus]

Problem solved- but i had to change a couple of things; that means no free Greeks and diplomacy, sorry.

[Prometeus]

The scen is ready... Who wants to playtest it ?

[VietMinh]

I'd like to playtest it.

DaiVietVu@netscape.net

A question off topic; will you ever translate your 3 kingdoms scn? I played it but could understand only some of it because italian ressembles fench to some extent.