Bonds, Giambi, others subpoenaed in steroid investigation - Page 2

Drake Tungsten · October 21, 2003, 14:43

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The threadjack was more fun.

Agreed. I was trying to find a hot Japanese tennis player to post a picture of, thereby melding the two threadjacks together, but it was harder than I thought and I need to go to bed anyway. Continue the threadjack for me Arrian or, god forbid, actually post on-topic. I'll be back in about 6 hours.

Arrian · October 21, 2003, 14:45

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I was trying to find a hot Japanese tennis player to post a picture of, thereby melding the two threadjacks together, but it was harder than I thought

Oh well, I think we can let this one die a natural death. Sleep well.

-Arrian

Kropotkin · October 21, 2003, 14:46

I was of cource just thinking along the line of the (successful) mix of drugs and sports.

Kropotkin · October 21, 2003, 14:47

And by all means, post pics of asian girls if you like. I think tungsten will like that. He has the japanese flag after all.

Dis · October 21, 2003, 14:50

you can't stop the doping

I just say let the athletes use as many drugs as they want

that would make things interesting- though injureis would be up and old records would be meaningless.

and small testicles would also be up

Drake Tungsten · October 21, 2003, 19:45

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you can't stop the doping

I just say let the athletes use as many drugs as they want

I actually wouldn't care if they allowed doping, as long as they came clean about it. I'd also want them to set up a new record book; it just isn't fair to the old school players for their records to be broken by steroid abusers.

Dis · October 21, 2003, 20:05

I agree. Roger Maris' record should still be standing.

Imran Siddiqui · October 21, 2003, 20:16

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Yeah but in the days of Maris and Mantle they took amphetamines like they were candy and some in the early sixties were already taking anabolic steroids.

Yep, exactly right, vlad. People like to think Mantle and Mays and people of that era were 100% clean, but they were popping pills just as much as the players today. The only difference is that the pills today are probably more effective.

I wouldn't be suprised if the Babe was on some **** as well.

Dis · October 21, 2003, 20:18

don't be badmouthing the babe. the only thing he was on was chocalate and alcohol

Drake Tungsten · October 21, 2003, 20:18

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I wouldn't be suprised if the Babe was on some **** as well.

Oh, the Babe was on plenty of ****. The difference is that none of the stuff he was ingesting was performance enhancing.

Imran Siddiqui · October 21, 2003, 20:21

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don't be badmouthing the babe. the only thing he was on was chocalate and alcohol

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The difference is that none of the stuff he was ingesting was performance enhancing.

Oh, I wouldn't be so sure of that. Of course, none of the supposed performance enhancing stuff players back then were taken (a lot of it didn't really have the effect, it was just superstition they did) were illegal at the time.

Drake Tungsten · October 21, 2003, 20:23

I was referring to booze, recreational drugs and sandwiches.

edit: Word added for the thick...

Imran Siddiqui · October 21, 2003, 20:24

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I was referring to booze, drugs and sandwiches.

Drake Tungsten · October 22, 2003, 08:58

Bonds is not a target of the grand jury investigation, according to his lawyer. If this is true and not just lawyer spin, then it gets a big

from me.

Kropotkin · October 22, 2003, 09:02

The british sprinter Dwain Chambers have been found to have used THG so now also people in Great Britain has a right to say something in this thread, I guess.

Arrian · October 22, 2003, 09:47

Fight the good fight, Krop!

-Arrian

TheStinger · October 22, 2003, 10:07

Can I join in now.

The comparison with the DDR is apt, although it is not just the US.

In the DDR the attraction of drugs was huge due to the enormous pressure placed on athletes and coaches by the government. That governmental pressure has now been replaced by money, however the pressure is the same and the result is the same.

There needs to be much more testing and a zero tolerance approach taken, unless you can prove that soemone else spiked your food/drink etc.

Drake Tungsten · October 22, 2003, 10:11

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Can I join in now.

Yes you can.

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The comparison with the DDR is apt, although it is not just the US.

No it isn't. The government of the DDR sponsored and controlled their doping program. The U.S. government, OTOH, is investigating this abuse and trying to put a stop to it. Not similar in the least.

TheStinger · October 22, 2003, 10:25

No the comparrsion with the governments of the DDR and the US is clearly bollocks, I was talking more about the coaching set ups and the athletes themselves.

Kropotkin · October 22, 2003, 10:32

I never meant to say that the cheating in the US was a government sponsored program. My intentions was to point out that this is, as it was back in the DDR-days, a disgrace. Everything else was something that Mr 'Heavystone' came up with in his own mind.

Drake Tungsten · October 22, 2003, 10:35

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I never meant to say that the cheating in the US was a government sponsored program. My intentions was to point out that this is, as it was back in the DDR-days, a disgrace.

If you really didn't mean to imply some sort of government involvement on the part of the US, then using the example of the DDR in your post was probably the stupidest choice you could've made. When you mention the DDR, people automatically think of massive government-sponsored doping programs.

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Everything else was something that Mr 'Heavystone' came up with in his own mind.